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Do you believe Kenneth Gentry has the right ideas on Eschatology?
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Except for a few small details, I think he is right on the money.
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On the main points I find him convincing and biblical.
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I've read Gentry for years and have found him quite convincing. His books The Greatness of the Great Commission and Before Jerusalem Fell are on the top shelf of my bookcase.
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Has he finished his commentary on Revelation?
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Originally Posted by KMK  Has he finished his commentary on Revelation? | Not quite yet... I wrote to Gentry on his website and he informed me that the pending commentary may take another 7 months 
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He's still working on it. It'll probably be the size of a Buick by the time he gets it finished (and then where'll I put my car?).
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Has anyone read Gentry's contribution to the "The Great Tribulation: Past or Future?" with Thomas Ice? If so, thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Jaymin Allen Has anyone read Gentry's contribution to the "The Great Tribulation: Past or Future?" with Thomas Ice? If so, thoughts? | I did read it. I think he closes the lid on Dispensationalism's view of the 'Great Tribulation' in his rebuttal section.
But I am a novice in the field of Eschatology so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Kear I've read Gentry for years and have found him quite convincing. His books The Greatness of the Great Commission and Before Jerusalem Fell are on the top shelf of my bookcase. | How about "He Shall Have Dominion"? I've heard good things about this book.
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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Kear I've read Gentry for years and have found him quite convincing. His books The Greatness of the Great Commission and Before Jerusalem Fell are on the top shelf of my bookcase. | How about "He Shall Have Dominion"? I've heard good things about this book. | I respect Gentry, even where I now disagree with his eschatology. He is very scholarly and quite capable of polemics. He shall have dominion is good, as it stands.
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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Kear I've read Gentry for years and have found him quite convincing. His books The Greatness of the Great Commission and Before Jerusalem Fell are on the top shelf of my bookcase. | How about "He Shall Have Dominion"? I've heard good things about this book. | Ah yes, I am just getting into this work by Gentry... Gentry is so thorough and detrimental with his exegesis (and no wonder Bahnsen was his mentor) that it such an informing read. I would recommend this work (the 2nd edition) to anyone skeptical of Postmillennialism.
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Originally Posted by Dr Mike Kear I've read Gentry for years and have found him quite convincing. His books The Greatness of the Great Commission and Before Jerusalem Fell are on the top shelf of my bookcase. | How about "He Shall Have Dominion"? I've heard good things about this book. | Ah yes, I am just getting into this work by Gentry... Gentry is so thorough and detrimental with his exegesis (and no wonder Bahnsen was his mentor) that it such an informing read. I would recommend this work (the 2nd edition) to anyone skeptical of Postmillennialism. | That book is better than his essays in the 3 views book.
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How about "He Shall Have Dominion"? I've heard good things about this book.
| Ah yes, I am just getting into this work by Gentry... Gentry is so thorough and detrimental with his exegesis (and no wonder Bahnsen was his mentor) that it such an informing read. I would recommend this work (the 2nd edition) to anyone skeptical of Postmillennialism. | That book is better than his essays in the 3 views book. |
I concur... that is actually very interesting, I did not particularly enjoy Gentry's main contribution to the 3 views on the millennium. Two short and not enough meat. I did love Gentry's rebuttals to the other 2 views. His refutation of Craig Blaising is a classic! It mainly deals with Blaising's treatment of Revelation 20, I took Gentry's excellent exegesis on this passage as a foreshadow of the things to come in his Revelation commentary... Who did you think did the best job in this book?
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Originally Posted by Jaymin Allen Do you believe Kenneth Gentry has the right ideas on Eschatology? | If its not dealing with the "last things" it's not eschatology.
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Ah yes, I am just getting into this work by Gentry... Gentry is so thorough and detrimental with his exegesis (and no wonder Bahnsen was his mentor) that it such an informing read. I would recommend this work (the 2nd edition) to anyone skeptical of Postmillennialism.
| That book is better than his essays in the 3 views book. |
Who did you think did the best job in this book? | Blaising. 
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Originally Posted by Jaymin Allen Do you believe Kenneth Gentry has the right ideas on Eschatology? | If its not dealing with the "last things" it's not eschatology. | Thank you, however I am not seeing how this answers my question? Are you asserting that Gentry does not deal with "last things" or am I missing it?
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That book is better than his essays in the 3 views book.
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Who did you think did the best job in this book? | Blaising. |
Hmmm... That’s interesting. I guess its time to make way for the progressives 
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Originally Posted by Jaymin Allen Do you believe Kenneth Gentry has the right ideas on Eschatology? | If its not dealing with the "last things" it's not eschatology. | Thank you, however I am not seeing how this answers my question? Are you asserting that Gentry does not deal with "last things" or am I missing it? | The premils succeeded in making futuristic questions a part of the last things by mixing the coming of Christ in with it. Amils insisted that the kingdom of the future has penetrated the present, so that what we have in the NT is an inaugurated eschatology -- now/not yet. Preterism is more realised, and hence interprets futuristic questions as having taken place. If they have already happened it is a misnomer to call it eschatology. Whatever the nature of Gentry's distinctive ideas, they are not dealing with eschatology.
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If its not dealing with the "last things" it's not eschatology.
| Thank you, however I am not seeing how this answers my question? Are you asserting that Gentry does not deal with "last things" or am I missing it? | The premils succeeded in making futuristic questions a part of the last things by mixing the coming of Christ in with it. Amils insisted that the kingdom of the future has penetrated the present, so that what we have in the NT is an inaugurated eschatology -- now/not yet. Preterism is more realised, and hence interprets futuristic questions as having taken place. If they have already happened it is a misnomer to call it eschatology. Whatever the nature of Gentry's distinctive ideas, they are not dealing with eschatology. |
Okay I understand. The problem here is a misreading or at least a misunderstanding. Although Kenneth Gentry deals a great deal with Preterism as a hermeneutical tool it is the torch that ignites his Postmillennialism fire, which is an eschatological position. So when I posed the question, "Does Kenneth Gentry have the right ideas on Eschatology" I meant just that. Matter of fact, most of Gentry’s positive works (negative-meaning critiques) has had to do with Gentry's postmillennial outlook. If what you mean is Preterism is not an Eschatological position I would agree with you, but then who said it were?
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Originally Posted by Jaymin Allen Okay I understand. The problem here is a misreading or at least a misunderstanding. Although Kenneth Gentry deals a great deal with Preterism as a hermeneutical tool it is the torch that ignites his Postmillennialism fire, which is an eschatological position. So when I posed the question, "Does Kenneth Gentry have the right ideas on Eschatology" I meant just that. Matter of fact, most of Gentry’s positive works (negative-meaning critiques) has had to do with Gentry's postmillennial outlook. If what you mean is Preterism is not an Eschatological position I would agree with you, but then who said it were? | The problem being that "preterist eschatology" is now a common place term. If postmillennialism is all that is meant by "eschatology," then it may be best to clarify that point, since Gentry hasn't made any distinctive contribution to postmillennialism except in the area of preterising it.
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Originally Posted by Jaymin Allen The problem here is a misreading or at least a misunderstanding. Although Kenneth Gentry deals a great deal with Preterism as a hermeneutical tool it is the torch that ignites his Postmillennialism fire, which is an eschatological position. | I read just the one book about the Great Commission and I got this distinct notion from him, that his "eschatology" leads his approach to understanding the Bible. So I read no more.
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