After reading a couple books recommended by Daniel Ritchie I may be abandoning my A-mill for Post-Mil...

Must say Iain Murray's "The Puritan Hope" and Greg Bahnsen's "Victory in Jesus" have been the most help. Also in a negative way Robert Strimple's essay in "Three Views on the Millennium and Beyond" on Amillenialism was sadly weak and convoluted.

Any good ideas for more reading (either way)?

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church, Sewickley, PA
Candidate Under Care Pittsburgh Theological Seminary & Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

“If the Church could be aroused to a deeper sense of the glory that awaits her, she would enter with a warmer spirit into the struggles that are before her.”-- J.H. Thornwell

4 good Amil recommendations:
Cornelius Venema, The Promise of the Future.
William Hendricksen, More Than Conquerors.
Geerhardus Vos, Pauline Eschatology (a hard read but good).
Herman Ridderbos; An Outline of Paul's Theology, and, The Coming of the Kingdom

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Patrick
OPC
MDiv, RTS Jackson.

"He does well, that discourses of Christ; but he does infinitely better, that by experimental knowledge, feeds and lives on Christ." Thomas Brooks.

Thanks. I have read The Coming of the Kingdom, others I'll check out.

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church, Sewickley, PA
Candidate Under Care Pittsburgh Theological Seminary & Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

“If the Church could be aroused to a deeper sense of the glory that awaits her, she would enter with a warmer spirit into the struggles that are before her.”-- J.H. Thornwell

Russell Moore's The Kingdom of Christ presents a good case for historic premil in an indirect way.

Rushdoony's Systematics, when you get past some of the unnecessary rhetoric, has some interesting insights.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

I assume Rushdoony is Post-Mill...

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church, Sewickley, PA
Candidate Under Care Pittsburgh Theological Seminary & Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

“If the Church could be aroused to a deeper sense of the glory that awaits her, she would enter with a warmer spirit into the struggles that are before her.”-- J.H. Thornwell

Ridderbos is better than Vos. I used Ridderbos when I was both pre and postmil.

Yes. Go to The Chalcedon Foundation - Faith for All of Life and you can download his book on postmil for free.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

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~Keon Garraway~ Brooklyn, NY Member of Franklin Square OPC

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Pslam 71:20 [Thou], which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

It is a good sized PDF so I'll read it soon enough.

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church, Sewickley, PA
Candidate Under Care Pittsburgh Theological Seminary & Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

“If the Church could be aroused to a deeper sense of the glory that awaits her, she would enter with a warmer spirit into the struggles that are before her.”-- J.H. Thornwell

I will pray for your salvation, brother, so that you will be free from Satan's bondage of Post-Mill lies and deceits...

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Will Shin
Rockville, MD

All that came to mind as I read the thread title was a song... "I think I'm turning post-millenial, I think I'm turning post-millenial, I really think so!..."

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Todd K. Pedlar
member, First Congregational Church, (CCCC) Cresco, IA
http://semperubi.rtrc.net

"Many men, after a long conversion, see more of the workings of sin in their hearts than ever they did before or at their first conversion. Now, such men have not an increase of sin, but an increase of illumination and light" (Christopher Love)


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Amen, brother, amen.

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Nathan Eshelman
Grand Rapids, MI
First Reformed Presbyterian Church

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Isaac Watts, Jesus Shall Reign


Jesus shall reign wherever the sun
Does his successive journeys run;
His kingdom stretch from shore to shore,
Till suns shall rise and set no more.

2. To Jesus endless prayer be made,
And praises throng to crown His head;
His name like sweet perfume shall rise
With every morning sacrifice.

3. People and realms of every tongue
Dwell on His love with sweetest song;
And infant voices shall proclaim
Their young Hosannas to His name.

4. Blessings abound where'er He reigns;
The prisoner leaps to lose his chains;
The weary find eternal rest,
And all the sons of want are blessed.

5. Where He displays His healing power,
Death and the curse are known no more:
In Him the tribes of Adam boast
More blessings than their father lost.

6. Let every creature rise and bring
Its grateful honors to our King;
Angels descend with songs again,
And earth prolong the loud amen!

7. Great God, whose universal sway
The known and unknown worlds obey,
Now give the kingdom to Thy Son,
Extend His power, exalt His throne.

8. The scepter well becomes His hands;
All heaven submits to His commands;
His justice shall avenge the poor,
And pride and rage prevail no more.

9. With power He vindicates the just,
And treads the oppressor in the dust:
His worship and His fear shall last
Till the full course of time be past.

10. As rain on meadows newly mown,
So shall He send his influence down:
His grace on fainting souls distills,
Like heavenly dew on thirsty hills.

11. The heathen lands, that lie beneath
The shades of overspreading death,
Revive at His first dawning light;
And deserts blossom at the sight.

12. The saints shall flourish in His days,
Decked in the robes of joy and praise;
Peace, like a river, from His throne
Shall flow to nations yet unknown.



Psalm 72 gives me my post-millenial hope.

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Pergamum


"If a commission by an earthly king is considered a honor, how can a commission by a Heavenly King be considered a sacrifice?"
-- David Livingstone

Cornelis Venema's book is very good; it is optimistic amillennial, and would not be that far from postmillennial. I think he makes some good criticisms of the Puritans "golden age" postmillennialism.

Vos' book The Pauline Eschatology accepts the conversion of the Jews in Romans 11.

You can be a Postmillennialist and accept William Hendricksen's interpretation of Revelation (though I don't), I think RJ Rushdoony did.

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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)

Reading Rush's God's Plan For Victory might not be the best for someone studying the issue as he is very hard on other views. It reflects some of his frustrations/bitterness with the failures of the modern Reformed faith, so perhaps it is best left till later.

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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)

I would highly recommend
The Bible and the Future
by: Anthony A. Hoekema

You can read it online here...
The Bible and the Future

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Larry Bray
Elder Elect - Reformed Presbyterian Church of Boothwyn, PCA
Boothwyn, PA - http://www.rpcb.org/

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"The best Christian is still a poor Christian" - R.B. Kuiper

How are you defining amillennialism and postmillennialism?

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Richard
CofE
UK

Great minds think alike. It was the impetus for typing the title as I did.

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church, Sewickley, PA
Candidate Under Care Pittsburgh Theological Seminary & Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

“If the Church could be aroused to a deeper sense of the glory that awaits her, she would enter with a warmer spirit into the struggles that are before her.”-- J.H. Thornwell

By the traditional manner.

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church, Sewickley, PA
Candidate Under Care Pittsburgh Theological Seminary & Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary

“If the Church could be aroused to a deeper sense of the glory that awaits her, she would enter with a warmer spirit into the struggles that are before her.”-- J.H. Thornwell

There are myriads of different forms of both a- and post-mill views. Some post mills see the millennium as having already happened, some see it as still future, some see it as having already started. Some amills are pessimistic, some are optimistic etc. Hence my question

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Richard
CofE
UK

Vos:
"Eschatology of the New Testament"
"The Second Coming of Our Lord and the Millennium"
"The Pauline Eschatology and Chiliasm"
"Eschatology of the Psalter"

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Richard
CofE
UK