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08-26-2009, 08:44 PM
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| | | Was the Holocaust of any Prophetic Significance?
i made a boo boo in my 1948 Israel thread: Quote:
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Originally Posted by D. Paul Allow me to tie in the Holocaust. The idea behind this was that Satan was still attempting to make the Second Coming impossible since he could not hinder the first. So, was the Holocaust prophetically significant? What purpose did it serve other than to say the Jews were persecuted? Was it remotely along the same lines as any biblical attempt at annihilation?  Did I just hijack my own thread? | Yes (you changed the trajectory of your thread).
You might find it helpful to start another if you wish to explore that topic so you don't loose the dispensationalism/covenant theology underpinnings that relate to your original post.  | ...so I'll ask this on the heels of that. Quote:
Originally Posted by D. Paul Allow me to tie in the Holocaust. The idea behind this was that Satan was still attempting to make the Second Coming impossible since he could not hinder the first. So, was the Holocaust prophetically significant? What purpose did it serve other than to say the Jews were persecuted? Was it remotely along the same lines as any biblical attempt at annihilation? Did I just hijack my own thread? | Help?
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Let's be honest, what we mean by "prophetically significant" is that the occurance is supposedlyin line with a particular thesis or belief of the Dispensational system of theology.
That said...
Multiple people groups throughout history have been persecuted for being of that particular people group. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc., are unfortunately, relatively common in the annals of history throughout the world.
So why would I think it is "prophetically significant" when it happens to a particular group?
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The Holocaust probably works better as a 'proof' for Judaism than a vindication of Dispensational theology.
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How does the murder of 5 or 6 million Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Communists, Gypsies, and Homosexuals have anything to do with the second coming? Or are you just concerned about half of the folks killed?
But to answer the question in the heading of the thread,
No.
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Originally Posted by SolaScriptura Let's be honest, what we mean by "prophetically significant" is that the occurance is supposedlyin line with a particular thesis or belief of the Dispensational system of theology.
That said...
Multiple people groups throughout history have been persecuted for being of that particular people group. Genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc., are unfortunately, relatively common in the annals of history throughout the world.
So why would I think it is "prophetically significant" when it happens to a particular group? | It depends on whether you believe in a future conversion of the Jews, and that, contrary to a lot of the views of the people on this board is not just a dispensational belief. See e.g. John Murray's Commentary on Romans 11 or Charles Hodge's Systematic Theology as just two among a multitudinous number of Reformed scholars who have or do believe this. These men didn't believe in all the accompanying Dispy hoo-ha and hoopla. In fact this view was held long before John Nelson Darby was a twinkle in his daddy's e'e, by Reformers and Puritans.
See this book:-
If you believe in a future conversion of the Jews which will be a bigger blessing to the world than their apostasy, then if Satan knew of that he might try to stop it. Also all the Jews troubles and blessings - if you believe they will have a significant role in future redemption - are designed by God to preserve them, but lead them to repentance.
The Jews should also remember that they're not the only ones to suffer, and that their Holocaust wasn't necessarily the "worst" before WW II or since. It was quite a big massacre for numbers and cruelty, but it was not the most terrible crime to happen. Plus plenty others died in the Nazi massacres.
Adam and Eve's crime was a worse sin, and the worst crime of all was the Crucifixion of our Lord by Jews, with Gentiles facilitating.
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Originally Posted by Edward How does the murder of 5 or 6 million Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestants, Communists, Gypsies, and Homosexuals have anything to do with the second coming? Or are you just concerned about half of the folks killed?
But to answer the question in the heading of the thread,
No. |
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It agrees with the curse of the covenant. They will suffer tribulation, until God restores Israel.
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