I picked up the book, A Case For Amillennialism by Kim Riddlebarger over the weekend, and am on Chapter 8. Has anyone read this yet? If there are any dispensationalists or pre/post millennialists who have been persuaded into Amillennialism, I just wondered what scriptures or reasoning convinced you of such a theological move?

Blessings!

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Charles Plauger
Member/Grace Reformed Church
Oakland, MD

I've read it and thought it was pretty good. An even better book for me was Jay Adams' The Time Is at Hand . Adams is an orthodox preterist as well as an amillennialist. Riddlebarger is an amil and a futurist.

I read it twice, first time as a postmillennialist and the second time as a premillennialist. It is well-written. he doesn't always deal with the opposition's strongest arguments. While I am not a postmillennialist nor a preterist, I wasn't impressed with his handling of that area. his arguments against classical dispensationalism was good; IIRC he didn't really deal with progressive dispensationalism.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

I heard several lectures by Dr. Riddlebarger at a conference recently. One reason no doubt he focuses so much on dispensationalism is that he used to be a dispy as well as the apparently pervasive influence of groups like Calvary Chapel in So. Cal.

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Chris Poe
Mandeville, LA

"There are the foolish fanatics always to be found in such a movement and always discrediting it--the lunatic fringe in all reform movements." Theodore Roosevelt

and, sad to say, the more zany forms of classical dispensationalism have a vice-grip on Evangelical culture.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

I read it and found it very helpfull. I am a little biased though being an amillenialist myself.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

I believe Riddlebarger identifies himself as a historical idealist amillennialist.

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Tom Albrecht
Member, Covenant URCNA, New Holland, PA.

"I'm not a famous man. I'm just a simple country doctor with horse sense."

Imo, these are some of the best lectures on Revelation from an amill viewpoint I've ever heard. This brother can really preach.

Exposition of the Book of Revelation by Arturo G. Azurdia III

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

I just got it and am reading it right now. When I finish it, I'll let you know what I think.

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Dan Pemberton
Vacaville, CA

Member, First Baptist Church San Luis Obispo
Formerly ABUSA (We left, so I guess that makes us American Baptists Unleashed!)

I've heard that from several people so far. I think I should check him out.

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Dan Pemberton
Vacaville, CA

Member, First Baptist Church San Luis Obispo
Formerly ABUSA (We left, so I guess that makes us American Baptists Unleashed!)

When I bought it, it was in a sale bin with a bunch of word of faith books and from what I remembered it was a good read.

I'd like see hear/see a debate between Pastor Jim McClarty from Grace Christian Assembly Kim Riddlebarger on eschatology, I can't agree with Pastor McClarty's dispensationalism but his arguments for premil are strong.

j

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J. M. - Baptist - Ontario, Canada - Feileadh Mor

I got so wound up listening to this series that I listened to 1 to 2 messages every day until they were finished. Really good stuff.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

Some dispensationalists insist that the OT sacrifices would be sovereignly reinstated in the thousand year reign of Christ. I consider this an aberration because it insists that the work of Christ was not complete. If Christ fulfills the sacrifices, then why go back. The writer to the Hebrew has alot to say about this. I believe between Chap 7-10.

I have heard it taught. It borders on blasphemy imo.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

Keep in mind that neither progressive dispensationalism nor historic premillennialism teach that.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

I've always had trouble making sense of Zech. 14 which seems to teach a future Temple and sacrifices with all nations keeping the Feast of Tabernacles. All of this seems to take place after the battle of Armageddon when Christ returns to the Mount of Olives. If Zech. 14 is fulfilled in Christ then how are all nations keeping the Feast of Tabernacles and how did the battle of Armageddon happen, when did Christ return to the Mount of Olives?



Ok, don't mean to get the thread off track...sorry.

j

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J. M. - Baptist - Ontario, Canada - Feileadh Mor

If the Temple was a symbolic edifice, if the Feast of Tabernacles was a symbolic institution, etc., then prophecies can certainly be cast in terms of the symbol, while referring to the reality symbolized. If I have not misread him, I think that is the view Patrick Fairbairn takes in his book on Typology.

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Even if they wanted to keep the sacrifices, some would argue that they wouldn't be Mosaic sacrifices in the sense of the old mosaic system. The old mosaic system was destroyed by exile(s). The sacrifices, whatever else they could be, aren't mosaic-redemptive.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

Here's another book thats very good. It's a little "sharp" at times on the rhetoric but very good nontheless.

A Defense of (Reformed) Amillennialism

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

If you can get past the invective, there might be some good things in that book...I guess. A friend of mine wrote a *moral* critique of the arguments in that book.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

I have listened to several of these sermons, I think im up to chapter 7, what viewpoint is it that he teaches. I know it is amil and not futurist. It doesnt seem to be preterism, is this teaching historic idealism? I am just curious because I agree with much of what he says.

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Bryan Riddle
1689 London Baptist Confession
Bethel Baptist Church Owasso, Oklahoma

Hey, I've overlooked my watch, lost my keys, and forgotten my wallet. But how can you Amil boys keep losing 1,000 years?

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