Agnosto-Mil

Leslie · #1 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 11:42 AM

Perhaps amil, premil, and postmil are all wrong. One can argue by analogy with the first coming:

The Jews agreed that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem--but Jesus was considered to have come from Nazareth. His birth in Bethlehem was not public knowledge, from what we know.

The Jews argued if there would be one Messiah or two--they never considered a forerunner plus one Messiah.

They argued if He would be a suffering servant or a conquering king--He was/is/will be both successively, depending on one's interpretation. No one suggested one Messiah who would be both.

He would be a prophet, but according to Elijah or Moses? The forerunner was according to Elijah, the Messiah was the new lawgiver. Big surprise.

He would be the son of David (majority opinion) but there were noises about His being the son of Joseph. Joseph also figured in a father role.

A reasonable surmise is that God is doing an encore of the first coming as regards the second--giving us some data but not enough to allow us to be ****-sure. Whatever the future brings, it will fit all the data but all the mills will be wrong in one, some, or all points, just like the Jews were wrong in many points as regards the first coming.

Any comments?

Iconoclast · #2 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Leslie

Perhaps amil, premil, and postmil are all wrong. One can argue by analogy with the first coming:

The Jews agreed that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem--but Jesus was considered to have come from Nazareth. His birth in Bethlehem was not public knowledge, from what we know.

The Jews argued if there would be one Messiah or two--they never considered a forerunner plus one Messiah.

They argued if He would be a suffering servant or a conquering king--He was/is/will be both successively, depending on one's interpretation. No one suggested one Messiah who would be both.

He would be a prophet, but according to Elijah or Moses? The forerunner was according to Elijah, the Messiah was the new lawgiver. Big surprise.

He would be the son of David (majority opinion) but there were noises about His being the son of Joseph. Joseph also figured in a father role.

A reasonable surmise is that God is doing an encore of the first coming as regards the second--giving us some data but not enough to allow us to be ****-sure. Whatever the future brings, it will fit all the data but all the mills will be wrong in one, some, or all points, just like the Jews were wrong in many points as regards the first coming.

Any comments?

Mary,
No matter which endtime chart a person believes, some things are completely clear.
The Lamb that was slain is upon the Throne. He has a people given to Him by the Father. They are drawn to the Son, to a life of Holy Service,and the obediance of faith. They are worshippers[in Spirit+Truth] looking for His return,or looking forward to their individual Exodus to be with Him where he is.
The Lord Jesus spoke often of eschatological events. Some were immediate judgements,70Ad, some were those of the last day.
We are to try to understand these judgements in context/ what is the day of the Lord/ what is the kingdom of God/ what is the last day/
but in no way is this study to hinder us from our service in His kingdom.
Some of the uncertainty is probably designed by God to keep us searching the scriptures to see more of Jesus.

Quote:

18for first, indeed, ye coming together in an assembly, I hear of divisions being among you, and partly I believe [it],

19for it behoveth sects also to be among you, that those approved may become manifest among you;

Read the book of Revelation as it is- a revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ as he is now, and will be in the future.

Leslie · #3 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconoclast

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Originally Posted by Leslie

Perhaps amil, premil, and postmil are all wrong. One can argue by analogy with the first coming:

The Jews agreed that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem--but Jesus was considered to have come from Nazareth. His birth in Bethlehem was not public knowledge, from what we know.

The Jews argued if there would be one Messiah or two--they never considered a forerunner plus one Messiah.

They argued if He would be a suffering servant or a conquering king--He was/is/will be both successively, depending on one's interpretation. No one suggested one Messiah who would be both.

He would be a prophet, but according to Elijah or Moses? The forerunner was according to Elijah, the Messiah was the new lawgiver. Big surprise.

He would be the son of David (majority opinion) but there were noises about His being the son of Joseph. Joseph also figured in a father role.

A reasonable surmise is that God is doing an encore of the first coming as regards the second--giving us some data but not enough to allow us to be ****-sure. Whatever the future brings, it will fit all the data but all the mills will be wrong in one, some, or all points, just like the Jews were wrong in many points as regards the first coming.

Any comments?

Mary,
No matter which endtime chart a person believes, some things are completely clear.
The Lamb that was slain is upon the Throne. He has a people given to Him by the Father. They are drawn to the Son, to a life of Holy Service,and the obediance of faith. They are worshippers[in Spirit+Truth] looking for His return,or looking forward to their individual Exodus to be with Him where he is.
The Lord Jesus spoke often of eschatological events. Some were immediate judgements,70Ad, some were those of the last day.
We are to try to understand these judgements in context/ what is the day of the Lord/ what is the kingdom of God/ what is the last day/
but in no way is this study to hinder us from our service in His kingdom.
Some of the uncertainty is probably designed by God to keep us searching the scriptures to see more of Jesus.

Quote:

18for first, indeed, ye coming together in an assembly, I hear of divisions being among you, and partly I believe [it],

19for it behoveth sects also to be among you, that those approved may become manifest among you;

Read the book of Revelation as it is- a revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ as he is now, and will be in the future.

I agree. He has told us enough so we know how to be obedient and He has given us the data regarding the end times. I just think it's an act of arrogance on our part to think that we know how to put this all together to make a time-line of the future and think that the Almighty will comply. He won't. We don't know how it will all come together. Our job is to know the data so that when it happens we'll be able to say "Aha! This is it!", and to be obedient in the meantime.

Backwoods Presbyterian · #4 (**permalink**) 06-12-2008, 04:12 PM

I am pretty sure that it is called a Pan-Millenialist Leslie...

As in It will all Pan out in the end.