Well Dr. Spear in class tonight at RPTS finally got me to really understand the pre-suppositions that are tied to a 6/24 reading of Genesis 1 and the difficulty of the gymnastic exegesis of other positions.

I have given up the internal struggle and have submitted to a literal, 6-Day creation.

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Benjamin P. Glaser
Pittsburgh, PA
Fairmount ARP Church
Student of Theology
Pittsburgh Theological Seminary
Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary
My Blog

"Man's attempt to enter heaven on his own terms places him instead in hell." -- R.J. Rushdoony

That is great news.

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Daniel Ritchie
Saintfield, Northern Ireland - Queen's University, Belfast:History/Politics
Member of Dromara Reformed Presbyterian Church of Ireland (Covenanter)

:thumbsup:

Doug Kelly's Creation and Change did it for me.

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J. B. Atken
John Knox PCA
Layman, M.A. student at Louisiana College

Congrats are in order. As a student of theology, this will help you in ways you can't even imagine yet. God's blessings upon you!

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Timothy Johnson
First United Presbyterian of Moline
PCUSA (Yea, I know)
Theology/Philosophy Sunday School Teacher
Davenport, IA

I'd be curious to hear what he said that got you to change your mind! (out of curiosity of course)

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Brian E
Attending Christ Reformed Baptist Church
Milwaukee, WI

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Dan Pemberton
Vacaville, CA

Member, First Baptist Church San Luis Obispo
Formerly ABUSA (We left, so I guess that makes us American Baptists Unleashed!)

I'd also be interested in hearing what you learned.

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Vaughan
BTh Student, Sydney Missionary Bible College
Naremburn Cammeray Anglican Church
Sydney, Australia
The Ransomed

Hey Jacob,

As the father of a 1 1/2 yr old who loves the movie Cars, I must say that you now have quite possibly the greatest avatar ever.

(At least until someone uses Mater)

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Michael Turner, husband to Krystal and father of Jack
Brookwood Presbyterian Church, North Georgia

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So glad to hear that. I thought you might be saying you were going to switch away from the literal 6 day/24 hour view. My husband was educated around scientists, and it took him a very long time to come around to the literal 6-day creation.

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J Baldwin
Keowee Presbyterian Church, PCA
Pickens, SC
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Well to say a little background first as most of you know I have recently left the PC (USA) (within the last 3 months to be exact though I had always felt "uncomfortable" there) and have never, truly, had cause to really question the varied understandings of Genesis 1. Firstly in my OT01 (Winter 06-07, Intro to OT: Genesis-2nd Chronicles) at PTS I was first presented with the many varying positions concerning this, none of which I had heard before and prior to this I was a not concerned really about the question of creation at all. In that discussion in OT01 I thought it would be prudent to pick one of the options so I became a Framework person. Seemed the most logical given "scientific evidence" and all. Well I actually decided to research Framework a little more and found it wanting. So after that I had been in limbo until tonight. I must say I have always "wanted" to believe in 6/24 but never had the intestinal fortitude to do so.

Well in class tonight (ST 41, Westminster Confession) at RPTS taught by Dr. Wayne Spear we went over Chapter 4 concerning Creation. As I was listening to the lecture I was reading the Scripture references in my WCF (which happens to be the one in the OPC clothbound edition) and my eyes were opened and it became very clear to me that 6/24 was correct and the Confession plainly teaches it.

Amen! God's Word is authoritative. God bless.

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Craig French
Married and father of a beautiful daughter.
Member of Christ The Word, PCA
Toledo, OH

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This is one of the best books anyone can read on the subject.

Kelly is awesome.

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Fredrick T. Greco
Senior Pastor, Christ Church PCA (Katy, TX)
Christ Church Blog

"The heart is the main thing in true religion...It is the hinge and turning-point in the condition of man's soul. If the heart is alive to God and quickened by the Spirit, the man is a living Christian. If the heart is dead and has not the Spirit, the man is dead before God." (J.C. Ryle)

I thought the Puritanboard was a haven for scholars. Judging by this thread however, it has been taken over by a bunch of Bible thumping fundies.

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Rev. Daniel Kok
Pastor of Grace Reformed Church (URCNA)
Leduc, Alberta CANADA
Church Blog

"there is no creature, either in heaven or on earth, who loves us more than Jesus Christ"
Belgic Confession, Article 26

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But, what of those presuppositions? Should readers of the Bible accept anything based on presuppositions? I wonder, what evidence in the Bible presents this position - if you do not mind sharing?

wondering

john

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John
Evangelical Free Church, no offices held
Langhorne, PA

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[B]ιδου ποιω τα εσχατα ως τα πρωτα.
הבל הבלים[/B]

Just while we're on this topic has anyone come across any good articles on evolution with respect to the second law of thermodynamics (i.e. that entropy (disorder) increases with time)?

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Stephen Spence

A Presbyterian attending a Baptist church

For one Scripture teaches that all Creation fell with Adam's sin correct? Well if one of the consequences of the fall is death (for animals as well as humanity) then there cannot be animal death before the fall (Gen 3:21).

Me, too. After having Dr. Kelly for Systematic I, I now routinely pass out copies of that book!

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Jacob Mearse
Racine Christian Reformed Church
Student, Reformed Theological Seminary (Virtual)
Lieutenant, U.S. Navy
Husband to April; Daddy to Wesley, Cyrus, and FaithMarie.

Call it ignorance or whatever but when I find out that a preacher denies the literal interpretation of Gen. 1-11 I have a hard time listening to anything else he has to say.

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
www.wildernessroadbaptist.org

I am absolutely thrilled to learn of the grace of God in deliverying you from PC(USA). I had to take my family out many years ago when I realized that any benefit we could possibly hope for in our attempt to be "missionaries" to what had been the denomination of our youth would more than have been offset by the liablities to our son and any other children the Lord would have been pleased to give us.

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~Jay~
Husband of ENS, father of J II. | Indian Trail, NC
Teacher Aide, Union County Public Schools, NC
Communicant Member, Precentor | Presbyterian Reformed Church of Charlotte, NC | Presbyterian Reformed Church

It's taken you three years to figure that out?

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Philip A - Member, High Desert United Reformed Church, Apple Valley, CA.

"Reason also is choice" - Milton, Paradise Lost
"And then shall every word also seem consistent to him, if he for his part diligently read the Scriptures in company with those who are presbyters in the Church, among whom is the apostolic doctrine, as I have pointed out." - Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:XXXII.
"where there is text, there is hope" - Richard A. Muller

God is good!

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Adam Brink, Grace Church of Pleasanton, PCA, Pleasanton, California

"Mark you this, Bassanio, The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart: O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!"

Antonio - The Merchant of Venice (Act 1, Scene 3)