And never, ever forget: [Teenagers] made Justin Bieber and Miley Cyrus rich and famous. Do you really trust them to assess your preaching gifts? - Carl Trueman



Source: A postscript on being boring: a relatively simple matter - Reformation21 Blog

That is classic.

--of course, I couldn't comment until I completed my Google search on those two names. I had a vague idea they were singers, but I wasn't sure. . . .

They might be rich, but their fame has trouble penetrating my consciousness.

Because it bears repeating for the encouragement of teen-criticized ministers.

Originally Posted by VictorBravo

of course, I couldn't comment until I completed my Google search on those two names.

Billy Ray's daughter.

Billy Ray is a great Christian figure, right? Didn't he sing about a broken heart, or something like that?

Peace,
Alan

I work with children; one of the kids came up to me and said do you have an Ipod? I said no, could not find a use for one. Do you listen to music? Yes, classic country, bluegrass, classical. (I only listen to that junk called modern country when my soon to be wife is in the car with me, and I grin trying not to throw the radio out of the car when she flips on POP music) The kid asks me, do you listen to so and so, pop music? I answered no. She walks away either sadden by the fact I don't listen or care for junk or the fact she understands I'm old.

I have a old soul, and its Presbyterian. Enough said. I'm becoming more Presbyterian as I age, and even sports I'm loosing interest in, accept baseball. Baseball is classy, much like the Presbyterian faith. Hahaha....

Pop music is awful, in fact radio is awful accept for a few artist but when I say few I mean few.

If Jonathan Edwards were alive today, I wonder what he would say?

Originally Posted by Sonny

I work with children; one of the kids came up to me and said do you have an Ipod? I said no, could not find a use for one. Do you listen to music? Yes, classic country, bluegrass, classical. (I only listen to that junk called modern country when my soon to be wife is in the car with me, and I grin trying not to throw the radio out of the car when she flips on POP music) The kid asks me, do you listen to so and so, pop music? I answered no. She walks away either sadden by the fact I don't listen or care for junk or the fact she understands I'm old.

I have a old soul, and its Presbyterian. Enough said. I'm becoming more Presbyterian as I age, and even sports I'm loosing interest in, accept baseball. Baseball is classy, much like the Presbyterian faith. Hahaha....

Pop music is awful, in fact radio is awful accept for a few artist but when I say few I mean few.

If Jonathan Edwards were alive today, I wonder what he would say?

He would probably still be preaching, and be in jail for the solid preaching he was doing...

Originally Posted by rookie

He would probably still be preaching, and be in jail for the solid preaching he was doing...

Hyperbole....

Even when I was much younger the communication gap between me and electronic rock bands was something I definitely cherished and hated to have disappear.

Originally Posted by Sonny

If Jonathan Edwards were alive today, I wonder what he would say?

"I'm feeling quite old."

Instead of the generation which made Hugh Hefner rich and famous?

We live in a society that emphasizes and promotes youthfulness, and de-emphasizes age and stigmatizes all things "old". Its "cool" for an older person to behave youthfully. Modernity is seen as a youthful endeavor, and there is something wrong with those who are older and do not want to "change with the times". How is an elderly person supposed to learn to die gracefully in a culture such as ours? We epitomize the young. So, for those who want to be a "hip" teacher of God's word in some effort to be "up to date" and avoid jumping on the bandwagon, they have jumped on another that is aimed for the ditch.

Originally Posted by Alan D. Strange

Billy Ray is a great Christian figure, right? Didn't he sing about a broken heart, or something like that?

Peace,
Alan

Yes, as I recall it was a thorough exposition of the doctrine of Head Knowledge vs. Heart Knowledge

Originally Posted by Sonny

I work with children; one of the kids came up to me and said do you have an Ipod? I said no, could not find a use for one. Do you listen to music? Yes, classic country, bluegrass, classical. (I only listen to that junk called modern country when my soon to be wife is in the car with me, and I grin trying not to throw the radio out of the car when she flips on POP music) The kid asks me, do you listen to so and so, pop music? I answered no. She walks away either sadden by the fact I don't listen or care for junk or the fact she understands I'm old.

I have a old soul, and its Presbyterian. Enough said. I'm becoming more Presbyterian as I age, and even sports I'm loosing interest in, accept baseball. Baseball is classy, much like the Presbyterian faith. Hahaha....

Pop music is awful, in fact radio is awful accept for a few artist but when I say few I mean few.

If Jonathan Edwards were alive today, I wonder what he would say?

“Lord, stamp eternity on my eyeballs.”
― Jonathan Edwards

I always joke that God didn't call me to be a youth pastor because I didn't even like teenagers when I was one

Originally Posted by sevenzedek

We live in a society that emphasizes and promotes youthfulness, and de-emphasizes age and stigmatizes all things "old". Its "cool" for an older person to behave youthfully. Modernity is seen as a youthful endeavor, and there is something wrong with those who are older and do not want to "change with the times". How is an elderly person supposed to learn to die gracefully in a culture such as ours? We epitomize the young. So, for those who want to be a "hip" teacher of God's word in some effort to be "up to date" and avoid jumping on the bandwagon, they have jumped on another that is aimed for the ditch.

What's interesting is that birth rates are down in the United States. The nation is getting older, not younger.

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I think Carl Trueman has the sharpest wit of any living person in Presbyterian and Reformed circles.

Originally Posted by Bill The Baptist

I always joke that God didn't call me to be a youth pastor because I didn't even like teenagers when I was one

Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian

Originally Posted by Bill The Baptist

I always joke that God didn't call me to be a youth pastor because I didn't even like teenagers when I was one

I always had some sense that there was something wrong with the "teenage" attitude and perspective, and that I wanted to rebel against it.

Originally Posted by VictorBravo

That is classic.

--of course, I couldn't comment until I completed my Google search on those two names. I had a vague idea they were singers, but I wasn't sure. . . .

They might be rich, but their fame has trouble penetrating my consciousness.

Justin Bieber is the 19 year old pop singer who recently visited the Ann Frank museum. Employing the term for his fans, "believers," he scrawled in the guest book: “Anne was a great girl. *Hopefully she would have been a belieber.”

That is part of what makes Carl's comment so stinging. Would you really want someone who thought Justin Bieber was wonderful judging your preaching?