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I am just in disbelief. All in the 'name' of Christ... if these people are ever told of who Jesus really is and what He has done for them, oh what a wonderful release it will be for them. I'm just sick right now though, the thought of what is happening to these little ones
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Sarah Barnette
non-denominational, but hoping to change soon to PCA
Toronto, Ohio
While the methods shown in those videos are brutal and not acceptable, witchcraft and possession is very prevalent in Africa. Often, they profess to be prophets or prophetess's when they are merely under the influence of Satan, misleading those who know no better into a path of destruction.
In the Western world where our Christian culture has minimized such blight, we're shocked to hear of people flying at night, some of whom fall to their deaths after passing over a prayer meeting.
It's pretty scary to us, but thousands of years of satan worship (in all forms of paganism) have lead to satan having a powerful grip on the peoples of that continent.
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Jeremy Bailey
Deacon (Currently, not serving), PCA
Grace Church of Pleasanton (Seeking in San Antonio)
San Antonio, TX
May the LORD bring these poor children to know the true Saviour. May these people be delivered from darkness. Congo reaps a terrible harvest for past evils. May the doors be opened again for gospel light. How awful. How wonderful to be able to commit it to the Lord in prayer otherwise I don't think I could stop thinking about it!
__________________ Jonathan Hunt
Elder holding forth the word of life at: Cheltenham Evangelical Free Church (Confessionally Based)
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, United Kingdom
Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with confidence.
-- Thomas Elsworth
Yes, they fantasize about flying often, and even get to believing it themselves. Getting taken up to heaven, or a space ship, being given goblins after eating their grandpa's liver, etc... all this stuff they really believe.
Historically, many have got into battle having been told that they have become invulnerable to bullets and the same thing always happens to them.
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Tim Vaughan
Member, Redeemer Presbyterian, OPC,
Santa Maria
California
I really hope that true churches in the Congo are vocally denouncing this sort of thing. Show me where Christ or any of the apostles was paid for what they did. If they were given something out of gratitude, that's one thing. But naming a fixed price for this "service" is completely different. This man needs to be removed from his 'ministry'.
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Kevin, husband of a truly angelic woman, and father to ten.
Zion United Reformed Church of Sheffield
Ontario, Canada
Actually yes. I have it from a trusted source; a missionary and pastor. Can you prove that Satan cannot make people fly? He can make a great deal of things happen, including causing a great wind to collapse structures on Job's children.
I don't know if anyone noticed but the "preacher" did a psychic surgery on one boy, where he pulled some spaghetti looking substance from his stomach. He had to learn this somewhere.
My fear is that this will turn people off to the truth since this is the "gospel" they have been exposed to. That is why I mentioned Benny Hinn because I know that he is popular there and is into all this sensationalistic, book of Acts type stuff.
Satan can do whatever the Lord has decreed Satan can do.
Oh yeah, I got the upper hand spirituality on this one!
Josh: 1
Pergalicious: -2
__________________ Josh Hicks, Chloλ's Dad Christ Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church, RPCGA Facebook - The Calvinist Vent Board Rules - Signature Rules - Suggestion Box It is God that multiplies our sorrows.... God, as a righteous Judge, does it, which ought to silence us under all our sorrows; as many as they are, we have deserved them all, and more: nay, God, as a tender Father, does it for our necessary correction, that we may be humbled for sin, and weaned from the world by all our sorrows; and the good we get by them, with the comfort we have under them, will abundantly balance our sorrows, how greatly soever they are multiplied. - Matthew Henry
By the way, can anyone trace this back to how it all got started? A particular ministry group or person? How are people so sure it's because of Benny Hinn? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of Hinn. This seems awful..
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Ewen
1689 LBCF
Assemblies of God Bible College
Singapore
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Steve Butts - Former SBC-er
Three Forms of Unity - Bradenton CRCNA - Bradenton, Florida (A conservative member in a conservative congregation)
"Turning away to false Theology is equal to turning away to false gods" Francis Schaeffer (Death in the City)
This report was done by ABC's weekend anchor Dan Harris. While Charlie Gibson is pretty fair during the week, Dan Harris consistently outdoes himself going to the far left and bashing Christians at every opportunity. The camera kept showing the cross on the phony "pastor's" stole. He never identified what sect or denomination these people belonged to. He seemed smugly content as long as he could show a "Christian pastor" terrorizing and abusing these innocent children. The guy spikes my blood pressure. I'll stop now.
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Norm
IA PCA
In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5
This report was done by ABC's weekend anchor Dan Harris. While Charlie Gibson is pretty fair during the week, Dan Harris consistently outdoes himself going to the far left and bashing Christians at every opportunity. The camera kept showing the cross on the phony "pastor's" stole. He never identified what sect or denomination these people belonged to. He seemed smugly content as long as he could show a "Christian pastor" terrorizing and abusing these innocent children. The guy spikes my blood pressure. I'll stop now.
which was why I'm curious as to which sect or denomination.. oh well, may God do as He pleases in that land..
No it is not the only thing that bothered me. But it did cause me to sin (breaking the 2nd commandment). I'd like to be warned by my fellow brethren when sin is at hand.
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No it is not the only thing that bothered me. But it did cause me to sin (breaking the 2nd commandment). I'd like to be warned by my fellow brethren when sin is at hand.
I apologize if you were offended. Honestly, I did not even notice that the guy was wearing a T-shirt with an imprint of Jesus on it so I did not think to "warn" you about it so you would not sin.
Perverting the gospel for filthy lucre sums it up.
you know, coming to PB has its ups and downs but one thing I'm sure is that I'm constantly astounded by how often people use rare vocabulary to describe simple words..
:P haha
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Perverting the gospel for filthy lucre sums it up.
you know, coming to PB has its ups and downs but one thing I'm sure is that I'm constantly astounded by how often people use rare vocabulary to describe simple words..
:P haha
I've been reading the 1599 Geneva and some older translations lately......
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When I tell people at our PCA that I am an ex-Charismatic some of them (thank the Lord - only a handful of them) flinch and quickly reprimand me and remind me that Pentecostals and Charismatics are our brothers and sisters. I've tried to tell them that (1) I've never said they aren't Christians. I was a Christian before I "crossed over." BUT (2) they have been reared in orthodoxy all their lives and have never rolled in the floor with another person howling like a hyena. Nor have they seen families and friendships ruined over a dream or a "word from God" or because "the Lord" someone that someone else had a spirit of some kind.
On the other hand, people in these kinds of tribes are very backward and superstitious and have possibly mixed their "Christianity" with something that they already believed. As much as I hate the "ministry" of Benny Hinn I think it might be a bad idea to point fingers. Who knows how this idiocy sprang to life?
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Kevin - PCA - Mississippi
"What, for some, is sin, others do to the glory of God. And the good Dr. Pentecost's remarks notwithstanding, I intend to go home tonight and smoke a cigar to the glory of God. It is a kind of incense drifting to Heaven." - Charles Spurgeon
"Thanks be to God for His indescribable gift!" - 2 Corinthians 9:15
Oh, this is so awful! I am certainly praying for the children and that misguided pastor. I had no idea that so many children had to be put through "exorcisms." The criteria for determining whether a child is a witch is ridiculous and profiting from "exorcisms" is just wrong. May God show these people the true gospel!!
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Jennifer Flummerfelt
layman, P.C.A.
Wichita, KS
"Man's chief end is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever."
Happily Married to KS_Presby as of September 12, 2009
It has been a long time since I have attended an Arminian-influenced church service (did so recently as part of a conference and mercy ministry).
Many dear brothers and sisters. And God uses wrong means, He is not limited by wrong techniques or wrong doctrines woven in, no question about that.
But, more than ever, I'm convinced of the futility of even hinting that salvation is caused by a simple decision of man's will. Almost an assumption that everyone is saved, all that is required is a one-time decision out of a man's will, with no real obedience to the Lordship of Christ required.
I can see a pattern of people getting the notion they can "come and go" with God, get what they want from Him, His people for a while, then leave and go the world, flesh and devil for a while, and then come back when they want to to "re-dedicate" themselves.
I can see a pattern of people constantly hearing sermons assuring them they are saved because they made a decision (not because God made one).
Oh, the vanity of that and the pride of that! Oh the arrogant, rebellious hearts of the creature revealed as we imagine only our need.
More than ever, I'm convinced:
1) salvation is a sovereign act of a Holy God giving undeserved favor to sinful, rebellious, clueless creatures He created.
2)Obedience is the cost of His Lordship
3) Natural man, fallen in sin, with a bondage toward the sin nature, does not seek God. He wants things God only can give, but He does not want God.
4) God alone seeks the unregenerated sinner.
5) Evangelism is most biblically done as part of discipleship in the local church with accountability, mercy and discipline.
__________________ Scott
PCA
North Carolina
"Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised)"
Hebrews 10:23
While the methods shown in those videos are brutal and not acceptable, witchcraft and possession is very prevalent in Africa. Often, they profess to be prophets or prophetess's when they are merely under the influence of Satan, misleading those who know no better into a path of destruction.
This is not confined to Africa. I had a pastor (SBC) once who went to some conference and was told that he was an apostle - and his wife was a prophetess. He came back and preached about nothing else, telling the congregation that if they didn't accept this they needed to eave the congregation. We did.
Perverting the gospel for filthy lucre sums it up.
you know, coming to PB has its ups and downs but one thing I'm sure is that I'm constantly astounded by how often people use rare vocabulary to describe simple words..
:P haha
I've been reading the 1599 Geneva and some older translations lately......
No it is not the only thing that bothered me. But it did cause me to sin (breaking the 2nd commandment).
How did it make you sin? Did you "make a graven image?" You did not make it, you did not post it, you do not approve ot it. So please explain to me, because I am asking in all humbleness, how did it make you sin.
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Alan Hughes
PCA
Lake Zurich, Illinois
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No it is not the only thing that bothered me. But it did cause me to sin (breaking the 2nd commandment).
How did it make you sin? Did you "make a graven image?" You did not make it, you did not post it, you do not approve ot it. So please explain to me, because I am asking in all humbleness, how did it make you sin.
This is a Confessional Board is it not? Have you not read the Westminster Standards, since you are in the PCA? See the bolded/underlined part below.
Westminster Larger Catechism
Question 108: What are the duties required in the second commandment?
Answer: The duties required in the second commandment are, the receiving, observing, and keeping pure and entire, all such religious worship and ordinances as God has instituted in his Word; particularly prayer and thanksgiving in the name of Christ; the reading, preaching, and hearing of the Word; the administration and receiving of the sacraments; church government and discipline; the ministry and maintenance thereof; religious fasting; swearing by the name of God, and vowing unto him: as also the disapproving, detesting, opposing, all false worship; and, according to each one’s place and calling, removing it, and all monuments of idolatry.
Question 109: What are the sins forbidden in the second commandment?
Answer: The sins forbidden in the second commandment are, all devising, counseling, commanding, using, and anywise approving, any religious worship not instituted by God himself; tolerating a false religion; the making any representation of God, of all or of any of the three persons, either inwardly in our mind, or outwardly in any kind of image or likeness of any creature: Whatsoever; all worshiping of it, or God in it or by it; the making of any representation of feigned deities, and all worship of them, or service belonging to them; all superstitious devices, corrupting the worship of God, adding to it, or taking from it, whether invented and taken up of ourselves, or received by tradition from others, though under the title of antiquity, custom, devotion, good intent, or any other pretense: Whatsoever; simony; sacrilege; all neglect, contempt, hindering, and opposing the worship and ordinances which God has appointed.
P.S. I think I've been to your church before, is it over there by the mall? Or am I thinking of another one?
Brother Dan nailed it: "Greedy, ruthless pastors." That is the problem with Christianity today. OK, you greedy, ruthless pastors on the PB. Take heed.
[That kind of stuff ticks me off so much: a. that the secular media tars all of us with these kind of brushes of implied/implicit/explicit charges of criminality; b. that there are descendents of Simon (Acts 8) who think that the gift of the Holy Spirit is to be used for money making: "May your silver be destroyed with you, because you thought the gift of God could be obtained with money!" A half of an average year's salary to do an exorcism with the "gift the Holy Spirit gave me"???]
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Dennis E. McFadden, Ex Mainline Baptist (in Remission)
Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)
the making any representation of God, of all or of any of the three persons, either inwardly in our mind, or outwardly in any kind of image or likeness of any creature:
P.S. I think I've been to your church before, is it over there by the mall? Or am I thinking of another one?
This is a confessional board and I do not think that you sinned and I do not think that most confessional Christians would think that they sinned under your curcumstances. You did not MAKE the image in your mind. If the sins of the fathers are not put on their sons, I do not think that the sin of that African minister is going to be charged to you. I love the confession but I think you are reading to much into it. Otherwise all evil men would have to do is put up pictures supposing to be of our Lord all over the place and the Church would be confined to the house.
I do not want to argue about this, I know that many on this board have differing views and I never would post a image but I have never heard a person say that it was a sin to see what they consider another man's sin. God bless, I do like and read your post. I was not asking to start a rabbit trail, I simply wanted a answer.
These people are lunatics and the people that say that evangelicals are everything from Benny Hinn to R.C. Sproul should watch this, that stuff is satanic
__________________ Martin - Reformed
Husband to the most godly, honorable and loyal wife Line
Searching for a Church
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Free Online Reformed Seminary - http://www.tnars.net
Soli Deo Gloria
you know, coming to PB has its ups and downs but one thing I'm sure is that I'm constantly astounded by how often people use rare vocabulary to describe simple words..
:P haha
I've been reading the 1599 Geneva and some older translations lately......
I'd like to see some clean lucre!
Does running a wad of bills through the wash by not emptying your pockets count?
Did anyone else see this as a emotional, exploitive, and sensationalized news story strategically added to an unending list of reports that serve to undermine and discredit the Christian faith and ideology?
The "pastor" and the "churches" were presented as representative nuts making merchandize of "families" who were not smart enough to protect themselves from the "epidemic of child witchcraft accusations, raging in the name of Jesus." (Yeah, they were false, but nothing in the report distinguished honest pastors from greedy, ruthless ones.)
The report asks "How did this happen?" (and cited "experts" that had nothing of the real Jesus to mention.) The report said, "Experts say all this is happening because of a toxic mixture of warfare, economic collapse, and greedy, ruthless pastors".
The only sane groups presented by the reporters were the UN, Save the Children, and the reporter who wouldn't give his money to contribute to the nuts and their ideology. Even the Congolese government was discredited and dismissed.
The whole premise was that it is a problem that begs for intervention by the sane (the UN, Save the Children, and the reporters). As a result of the "report", pastors, churches, the sovereign government of Congo, and the families themselves are understood to be excluded from being able to solve the problem, because they are the root cause of the problem, or the helpless and vulnerable victims in need of "expert" salvation.
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