London Times Article

Here is a quote,

I wonder where this is going. Thoughts?

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I will quote someone with whom I was speaking yesterday regarding the RCC: "The catholic church is as pagan as the relativists of today. They change their views with the wind and change the color of their skin like chameleons"


It is well-known that the RCC has been making an effort in the last several years to reunite Christendom. There is also an effort on the part of many protestant denominations (Lutherans, Methodists and even some PCUSAers) to reunite with the catholics. Pope Benedict is doing this for no other reason than to gain control of the protestant denominations.

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J Baldwin
Keowee Presbyterian Church, PCA
Pickens, SC
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Oh yeah, let me just get some knee pads so I can bend my knee in worship of the created. He said some nice things about Luther and came to less drastic conclusions than Leo X. When he puts down the funny hat, relenquishes any claims to infalliability, and endorses the Biblical understanding of justification by faith alone in Christ alone, then we can have some semblance of unity. Until that time, I am still in protest.

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Andrew DeShazo, Deacon, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN
"All of us stumble in many ways, but if anyone is never at fault in what he says, then he is mature, able to control his whole body."(James 3:2)

At the same time he is courting the Eastern Church, as well as the moslems. Scary indeed.

Read the signs of the times.

Read Rev. 17 - is the papacy the whore?

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Bert Mulder
Elder of the First Protestant Reformed Church of Edmonton
Edmonton Alberta Canada

Maybe he wants a couple of wild boars in his vineyard to offset the Moors at his door(step).

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Leduc, Alberta CANADA
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Ian Paisley, who was a member of British Parliament, said something interesting a number of years ago, when the Pope addressed the assembly. He said outloud for all to hear, "Anti-Christ." He said it in a way that only Dr. Paisley could say it. The Papacy and the Roman cult have not changed. Sister Baldwin you are right. She is a chameleon and always changes her colors. Remember Vatican II instituted this tactic of refering to Protestants as "seperated brethren" and not heretics as the first Vatican Council did. Rome only wants unity on her terms. Everyone else will be forced to drink from her cup, but she will never change. The Pope is trying to backpeddle and soften his earlier pronouncement. She still denies the gospel of free grace and continues to lead souls to hell with her priestcraft. We need to continually show compassion to Roman Catholics and proclaim to them the gospel that will set them free.

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Stephen Welch
PCA Teaching Elder
Nova Scotia

Yes, brother the Pope is the great whore. The WCF says it well, that the Pope is not the head of the church, but the anti-Christ, that man of sin who sets Himself up as a God.

I know it was amended out, but can we amend it back in?

I subscribe to the original confession for this reason, as well as the the fact that other sections were amended by American Presbyterians. I agree that we should put it back in the American edition. I am not certain why it was deleted other than perhaps some compromised the truth. I believe our Puritan Fathers had a good reason why they used the language they did. Interestingly, A.A. Hodge, in his edition of the WCF kept the original wording of the confession intact. When I use the WCF in my preaching and teaching or in our order of worship for a responsive reading by the congregation, I use the original language.

Interesting how the Muslim threat in the 21st century resembles the one in the 16th. But, the answer is the same. If we can just get everyone to agree we will have a solid front against the threat from Islam. Too bad so many of Luther's children have decided that it is time to bow the knee to Rome.

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First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)

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The Catholics on the Catholic forums are all claiming that the article is speculation and has several errors in it...

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URCNA
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Ah, so Rome has decided to unanathamatize us? whoopdie doo, I can't tell you how much this means... (lol)

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New Beginnings Believers Bible Fellowship (Family's Church), Non-Denom
Los Angeles, CA
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Proverbs 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

The list of Bible readers who identified the papacy with antichrist covers more than a thousand years -- from the earliest days of the papacy until now. Luther included Islam with the papacy as the two "legs" of antichrist, and Calvin included them both as the two "horns" of antichrist.

I believe it was mainly in reaction to this particular teaching that those desiring to be more politically correct adopted the dispensationalist theory which moved the antichrist to a future 7-year Tribulation, and changed popery and Islam into "great religions" we are called upon to respect.

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Andrew--
Sounds like you've been reading Luther. In his Table Talk, Luther said it this way:

And then he said,

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Coventry, CT
PCA
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"Our Lord God must be a good man, to be fond of worthless fellows. I cannot like them, and yet I, myself, am one."
-- Martin Luther, Table Talk

Thanks, David. These two cults want world domination and obviously this was the case during the middle ages. I have never heard this about dispensationalism before, so thanks for your insight.

Our statement of doctrine within the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod still holds that the office of the papacy is anti-Christ. Ya'll Reformed need to get back on board with this!

Honestly, whether Pope Benedict rescinds Martin Luther's excommunication or not really doesn't matter a whit. We never considered it worthwhile anyway.

Exsurge Burnay!

Thanks, brother. Too many Reformed people don't see what their confessional standards teach. I am encouraged that the MO Synod still regards this. We should remember that Benedict or Ratsinger is not the first pope to have rescinded Luther's excommunication. Others like Paul the sixth made similar statements. It is all smoke and mirrors brothers and sisters.

Absolutely. No real changes can be made in this regard. These are just "cosmetic." The Roman Church by its own decsription is semper idem (always the same).

Although today it is Islam that slits the throats of Christians and burns down churches, Spurgeon urged us to remember the record of the papal antichrist:

In another place, Luther said:
Something tells me Martin Luther wouldn't be impressed with Pope Benedict's words.