There was something much nuttier in these people than mere Messianic Judaism. In fact, this stuff wasn't even the main theology they were into
Originally Posted by calgal
This was an older couple in their mid-50s who both went way, way off the deep end relgiously after 9/11. The husband in particular had some hideous theology. He apparently had some voice speak to him two years ago on two different occasions telling him to radically change his life and that that was the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.
They hold to the most bizarre interpretation of Esther and Ruth I've yet heard; namely, that both Mordecai and Naomi were the Holy Spirit Himself and that was an example of His guiding individual believers with direct revelation.
There was a heavy emphasis on every aspect of weakness, infirmity, or sin being demonic activity every true Christian could and should exorcise, including an example of the wife exorcising the demon of "car exhaust" and numerous other things in this sense as utterly demonic.
Most disturbingly, there was a massive effort to appeal to my spiritual pride, by saying not only that I was incredibly advanced (for describing some fairly basic historical and theological knowledge) and the like. Finally, they claimed that I was Joseph [as in son of Jacob and 2nd in Command under Pharaoh], 2nd in Command in the Universe and that any true believer who had received the Holy Spirit was striving to be THE BRIDE of Christ in an individual sense. At this point the husband was so incredibly intense into this nonsense and pride that I seriously wondered whether he himself was demon-possessed (and there's only been one or two other incidents in my life where I've ever thought that way about someone's conduct).
They also believed that the United States was the scattered 10 tribes of Israel/Ephraim. Additionally, they were rapturists (no surprise here).
Frustratingly in this conversation was the utterly annnoying and common tactic of agreeing with everything I was saying including those utterly contradictory to their theology. I was regrettably caught off guard to this nonsense and let myself be cornered, rather than going on the offensive and systematically dismantling some of the worst stuff, tenderly and graciously of course. But, alas - it was a hard lesson to be learned.
I wasn't able to add this entire segment in my previous post. Thankfully, I didn't encounter them again, but it was disturbing to see how wrong-headed people can become with exposure to really bad religious teaching.
Last edited by Theoretical; 12-24-2006 at 05:56 PM.
Scott - Dallas, Texas - Faith OPC
"It is not what a lawyer tells me I may do; but what humanity, reason, and justice tell me I ought to do." - Edmund Burke