Quote, "...they don't even, ya know, know a lot of stuff..." huh?

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J. M. - Baptist - Ontario, Canada - Feileadh Mor

It is sad. And many of these false teachers have churches full of disciples.

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Ian Kemmerer
Covenant Presbetyrian Church,Reading,PA
Fleetwood,PA

"Be still, my soul: when dearest friends depart, And all is darkened in the vale of tears, Then shalt thou better know His love, His heart, Who comes to soothe thy sorrow and thy fears. Be still, my soul: thy Jesus can repay From His own fullness all He takes away."

One of the best books in print about the TV Church is Horton, Michael, Editor, The Agony of Deciet: What Some TV Preachers are Really Saying (Chicago: Moody Press), 1990.

"Since the electronic church will not and cannot do all that Christ has commissioned the local church to do, the TV church as one's sole church will teach a religion that is sub-Christian." -- W. Robert Godfrey, The Agony of Deciet: What Some TV Preachers are Really Saying (Chicago: Moody Press, 1990), page 167.

From the same book, Michael Horton writes:

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Sterling Harmon
Coventry, CT
PCA
Deacon
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"Whatever is laudable in our works proceeds from the grace of God."
-- John Calvin, Institutes III:xv.3.

"Our Lord God must be a good man, to be fond of worthless fellows. I cannot like them, and yet I, myself, am one."
-- Martin Luther, Table Talk

That video was incredibly disturbing. I don't know whether to or

Oh, what is done in Jesus' name...

I always get this niggling feeling in the back of my brain that these guys are the ones who are going to bring (minor) persecution upon the true church (that they will be the vehicle/catalyst for it).

Who can watch that and not say that these guys should not have their tax-exempt status taken away? So long as they put that badge of 'Christian' on what they do, we are all going to be painted with the same brush. I don't see churches hanging on to tax-exempt status for much longer in this environment.

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Kevin
Far East
Deacon, Int'l Church

I...couldn't listen to more than a minute - my spirit was grieving...

Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus!

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-JD
1Thess5:21
Ordained Deacon, PCA
Serving in the SBC
MS

Team blog: ChristianSkepticism.org | Personal:...a Longmire rambles | facebook

Now there's a

Do I dare? Why not? "Render to Ceaser the things that are Ceaser's, and to God the things that are God's."

Is there any biblical warrent for tax exemption? Wouldn't it be more biblical to pay Ceaser? Perhaps, the false teachers wouldn't be so attracted to religion if there was less opportunity to leagally profit from it. Just a thought.

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Sterling Harmon
Coventry, CT
PCA
Deacon
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"Whatever is laudable in our works proceeds from the grace of God."
-- John Calvin, Institutes III:xv.3.

"Our Lord God must be a good man, to be fond of worthless fellows. I cannot like them, and yet I, myself, am one."
-- Martin Luther, Table Talk

I'm sorry, this thread sent me searching, and I saw this video, and my spirit is greatly grieved now.

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Ian Kemmerer
Covenant Presbetyrian Church,Reading,PA
Fleetwood,PA

"Be still, my soul: when dearest friends depart, And all is darkened in the vale of tears, Then shalt thou better know His love, His heart, Who comes to soothe thy sorrow and thy fears. Be still, my soul: thy Jesus can repay From His own fullness all He takes away."

Hmmm.... I wonder what seminary they went to, if they went at all?

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Michael Masztal
H.S. Science Teacher at Community Christian School, Melbourne, FL
Member, Chapel By The Sea, ARP
Melbourne Beach, FL

The Madness of sin.


Just a side note, what's up with Benny Hinn's Hair 4:00-4:30?

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John J.
Member Christ Prebyterian Church (OPC)
Salt Lake City, Utah
www.christpres.net

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John J.
Member Christ Prebyterian Church (OPC)
Salt Lake City, Utah
www.christpres.net

Probably not. But it would definitely put a spanner in the works in the beginning. In the end, it would probably be a good thing. Like you said, it would keep out the money-grubbers.

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Kevin
Far East
Deacon, Int'l Church

"God gives us more than what we need!" He certainly gave these folks more brains than what they would need. Oh that God would make ignorance painful, if only for one day.

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Bob Vigneault (Bawb Vēēn-yo)
I just know there's got to be a pony in here somewhere!

The Heartbeat of Heaven (blog) MySpace (Music), MySpace (Personal)
Member of Christ Presbyterian Church, Janesville, WI OPC www.christ-opc.org

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My spirit was appalled! Less than 30 seconds on this one...

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-JD
1Thess5:21
Ordained Deacon, PCA
Serving in the SBC
MS

Team blog: ChristianSkepticism.org | Personal:...a Longmire rambles | facebook

that second person in the first video is Pastor Manning. He is here in NYC in Harlem. He has some weird theology. He believes in purgatory, vestal virgins, the gnostic gospels, and he mixes this brew with self empowerment politics and this attracts a lot of African Americans to his fold.

check out his website ATLAH World Ministries and he lists Luther as a heretic, and claims that the Greek Orthodox church is a true church. He also lists the OPC, PCA etc as false churches

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~Keon Garraway~ Brooklyn, NY Member of Franklin Square OPC

Love for God demonstrated by the love for our children in giving them a God centered education is the only hope for our country. by David Morrow
Pslam 71:20 [Thou], which hast shewed me great and sore troubles, shalt quicken me again, and shalt bring me up again from the depths of the earth.

Re: Dueling Tongues

I firmly believe that the use of tongues as practiced in the church today is unbiblical, but for those who believe it is for today also believe that it is a gift of the Holy Spirit and should be treated with reverence AND also employ the gift of interpretation. Copeland and Brown's display makes an utter mockery of what Charismatics claim to hold dear - it is disgraceful!!!

Probally Ken Hagen's Rhema Seminery if at all the real sad thing is this kind of preaching is being gobbled up in parts of Africa and the third world.

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Aaron
Independent Baptist
Holland MI
Blog: earthdwell22.blogspot.com

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J. M. - Baptist - Ontario, Canada - Feileadh Mor

JM, are you Dazzarai?

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~Gloria G.~
Bride of Warren G.
Member of Trinity Presbyterian Church, PCA, Southeast Georgia

"Turn my eyes from looking at worthless things; and give me life in your ways." Psalm 119:37

No, I'm not Dazzarai.

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J. M. - Baptist - Ontario, Canada - Feileadh Mor

From ATLAH...

"The Lord instructed me to write to you about your health..."

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Davidius
Husband of Emilia
Member: First Reformed Presbyterian Church of Durham (RPCNA) - Durham, NC
Currently in the process of transferring membership to an as-yet-undecided church in Chapel Hill
Student: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, German Literature and Classics

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J. M. - Baptist - Ontario, Canada - Feileadh Mor

"Selling Jesus" "Jesus is the product"

How disturbing!

The TV church and its false teachers should be a "wake-up call" to God's people! If these, with their twisted messages can advance their agendas, why can't the church, by the power of God, preaching the message of God, to the people of God be more effective?

Jesus said, "If I be lifted up, I will draw all men to myself."

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Sterling Harmon
Coventry, CT
PCA
Deacon
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"Whatever is laudable in our works proceeds from the grace of God."
-- John Calvin, Institutes III:xv.3.

"Our Lord God must be a good man, to be fond of worthless fellows. I cannot like them, and yet I, myself, am one."
-- Martin Luther, Table Talk