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08-27-2007, 05:12 PM
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Is this even Christian, or just a bunch of man centered people rebeling abainst authority of any kind? Was Jesus the ultimate hippie? Did Christ need to die for anything these people are saying? http://www.monergism.com/shaping_jes...ur_own_ima.php
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08-27-2007, 06:55 PM
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It seems I recall hearing and seeing much of the same tripe back in the 60s. This is not new. Quote:
All things are wearisome;
Man is not able to tell it.
The eye is not satisfied with seeing,
Nor is the ear filled with hearing.
That which has been is that which will be,
And that which has been done is that which will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.
Is there anything of which one might say,
“See this, it is new”?
Already it has existed for ages
Which were before us.
There is ano remembrance of 1earlier things;
And also of the later things which will occur,
There will be for them no remembrance
Among those who will come later still.
Ecclesiastes 1:8-11, NASB
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08-27-2007, 07:38 PM
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This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
There were statements made by people showing that they ARE NOT christians. One women even stated that "if jesus were walking in the flesh, what would jesus have on his mind.... racism, feeding the masses... these kinds of things." CHRIST WOULD BE PROCLAIMING HIMSELF WHO IS THE GOSPEL!!!!
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08-27-2007, 08:48 PM
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Yeah, dudes, the bible isn't, like, stagnant or sumpin' - it, like, changes. Making sure the Bible's authority is never questioned is a real waste of time... ARGH!
The ranks of the false prophets grow yet again.
By the way, do you have to have a tattoo to join one of these 'communities'? That would seem to be the case.
It reminded me of one of the emergent posters from a previous thread: "Who cares whether we know how it's supposed to work? We're going to take a crack at fixing it."
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08-27-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by kvanlaan  It reminded me of one of the emergent posters from a previous thread: "Who cares whether we know how it's supposed to work? We're going to take a crack at fixing it." | Exactly. Also, the guy saying what Jesus would be interested in smacks of the "What would Jesus do? I'm pretty sure he'd do the kind of stuff I think is cool." one.
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08-27-2007, 09:57 PM
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Doing Communion like a house party???
I showed this video to my wife and her very first response was, "I'd be afraid of lightning striking or something!"
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Emergin g = mostly Calvinistic/Reformed theology, contemporary worship
Emergen t = the stuff described on this thread  |
08-27-2007, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jdlongmire Emerging = mostly Calvinistic/Reformed theology, contemporary worship | Mostly Calvinistic/Reformed? Really? I'm not being sarcastic. I didn't think "most" were.
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08-27-2007, 10:41 PM
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I wouldn't say mostly. I wouldn't even say a third of emerging churches are Calvinistic.
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Okay, this may be a stupid question, but I have to know. 
What are they supposed to be "emerging" from?
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Originally Posted by Wythe County Calvinist Okay, this may be a stupid question, but I have to know.
What are they supposed to be "emerging" from? | Depends on who you ask  |
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08-27-2007, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by jdlongmire wiki - obviously caveat emptor - Driscoll is Calvinistic | Thanks for the link.
But check this out.... They know about us..... Quote: |
Critics of the movement are often conservative, evangelical theologians and pastors who disagree with the movement's embrace of postmodernist philosophy, believing such a worldview leads emergents to unorthodox theology, relativism, antinomianism, universalism, and syncretism.
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Originally Posted by jdlongmire wiki - obviously caveat emptor - Driscoll is Calvinistic | I'm very familiar with Driscoll, however, I'd definitely say that he is the odd one out. He is the only emerging pastor I know of who really uses the emergent/emerging dichotomy (well, him and the guys at the Resurgence blog.)
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08-27-2007, 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Exagorazo Quote:
Originally Posted by jdlongmire wiki - obviously caveat emptor - Driscoll is Calvinistic | I'm very familiar with Driscoll, however, I'd definitely say that he is the odd one out. He is the only emerging pastor I know of who really uses the emergent/emerging dichotomy (well, him and the guys at the Resurgence blog.) | oy - I was hoping it would be nice and clear... - oh, well...
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Originally Posted by jdlongmire Quote:
Originally Posted by Exagorazo Quote:
Originally Posted by jdlongmire wiki - obviously caveat emptor - Driscoll is Calvinistic | I'm very familiar with Driscoll, however, I'd definitely say that he is the odd one out. He is the only emerging pastor I know of who really uses the emergent/emerging dichotomy (well, him and the guys at the Resurgence blog.) | oy - I was hoping it would be nice and clear... - oh, well... | Don't worry, I'm quite the dullard. I was just reacting to this assertion: Quote: |
Emerging = mostly Calvinistic/Reformed theology, contemporary worship
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Originally Posted by Exagorazo Quote:
Originally Posted by jdlongmire Quote:
Originally Posted by Exagorazo I'm very familiar with Driscoll, however, I'd definitely say that he is the odd one out. He is the only emerging pastor I know of who really uses the emergent/emerging dichotomy (well, him and the guys at the Resurgence blog.) | oy - I was hoping it would be nice and clear... - oh, well... | Don't worry, I'm quite the dullard. I was just reacting to this assertion: Quote: |
Emerging = mostly Calvinistic/Reformed theology, contemporary worship
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08-28-2007, 01:00 AM
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Driscoll is a high point in the emerging camp? That's sad.
Sorry, after reading selections out of his book and the thread on him and his book a while back (see review here: http://www.challies.com/archives/boo...essions-of.php) I have no desire to hear, see, or have anything to do with his 'work'. Remember, the quotes from the book are his own words, it is character assassination by his own hand.
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It is a shame hippies did not go the way of disco
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While I am not supporting the Emerging/Emergent movement (indeed, I just read "How (Not) to Speak of God" by Peter Rollins, a new big emerging book, and was thoroughly disturbed), it seems to me that rather than simply mocking their views, we ought to listen to what they have to say and answer them biblically. Additionally, you will find that in the emergent/ing literature, they do raise many good (even necessary) questions that Christians--espeically Reformed Christians--ought to consider. From my limited reading on the subject, I find that Emergent folk are particularly good at pointing out some big problems in modern churches (sometimes even Reformed ones), but they are not so good at giving the right answers. That's where some solid Reformed thinking comes in.
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".....every person has the right to speak for God..." sounds familiar. "Each one did what was right in his own eyes" This idea of no dogmatism and the idea of each individual sharing their own(valid) opinion is a well known technique used by large employers to achieve unity and retention. Now the church is using it to the same goal. However this unity is no unity at all.
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The Emergent movement is one of those things that is destined to split up into opposing groups as people become more aware of the implications and consequences of various ideas and practices.
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