
Originally Posted by
TeachingTulip
If they do, the blame is upon the parents.
Directly from Eze 18, which you raised:
“The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.
Hmmm... I don't know of any scripture that says that a parent must be in complete control of a child, and that the child's sin is the fault of the parent. In fact, I see just the opposite. That does not mean that a parent must not rear the child in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, but the result is not in a parent's control.
Eh?
Does this accord with the spiritual principle taught in Ezekiel Chapter 18?
Are you saying the Christian parent should relinquish authority over their own offspring in matters of faith and worship in order to permit "individual accountablilty?"
Not wise advice, IMO . . .
I thought what Grillsy was pointing out was the contradiction of your position with Eze 18.
I have to ask ... do you have children? More than one?
The reason I ask is that you come across like those that have never raised more than a couple of children. They are all different, and while the best parenting in the world can be used with some, the children ultimately are responsible for their own sin.
You have made several statements that the only reason for a child to behavior badly in public is because of bad parenting ... please supply your scriptural support for that explicit statement (not that parents are responsible for rearing children, but that they are responsible for the behavior of the child in
every case without exception (that is, that the parents are in control of the outcome).
My pastor has a daughter with a seizure disorder ... her behavior is beyond anyone's control other than God. Saying it is his lack of proper child rearing is much like Job's "friends" that council him with what sounds logical, but is without merit.
It came about after the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is kindled against you and against your two friends, because you have not spoken of Me what is right as My servant Job has. “Now therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up a burnt offering for yourselves, and My servant Job will pray for you. For I will accept him so that I may not do with you according to your folly, because you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.” So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went and did as the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job.
Job did what was right, yet suffered greatly. His friends told him it must be because of some sin in his life, and that is what God was critical of his friends for saying. We do not know the end from the beginning, and what works with one child does not necessarily work with another. The best Biblical parenting in the world will not write a child's name in the book of life, nor will it eliminate the will of a child and make them putty to be shaped as a parent wants.
Parents are responsible for doing what they best can, and that will be tainted by sin (as everything we do is tainted by sin). But the behavior of a child is the child's fault in every case. Every man will die for his own sin, the children will not die for the father's, nor the father for the children's. (And sometimes, disruptive behavior in a worship service is not sin at all.)
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