Interracial marriage

Jim Peet · #41 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:50 AM

I married a German !!!

there is but one race of humans:

Are There Really Different Races? - Answers in Genesis

Houchens · #42 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 12:03 PM

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Irish, English,Dutch and Cherokee...that's how the Lord has created me! How's that for diversity?!

Looks like you've got some good blood in ya!

So it seems...as do you! Must be where our "good taste" comes from!!

Skyler · #43 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 12:21 PM

The best I can say is, my mom's family is mostly Germanic and my dad's family is mostly English. There seems to be quite a variety of other ethnicities as well, though, so I think I can say that I am 100% American.

Jerusalem Blade · #44 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 03:26 PM

I'm a Jew and my wife is a Greek (Cypriot). One race but different ethnos.

OPC'n · #45 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 06:51 PM

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I'm Irish, Scottish, Cherokee, English... how's that for a mixed marriage(s)?

I forgot...during my vacation when visiting my aunt I confirmed that I have Cherokee blood...along with German and Irish (and maybe English).

Oh, all kinds of good blood going on here!

kvanlaan · #46 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 08:00 PM

Me: 100% Frisian, brown/gray hair, hazel eyes.
Elizabeth: Mostly Cherokee Indian, basic American mutt, blonde hair, blue eyes
Children: Multi-racial

Andres · #47 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:07 PM

This poll never asked what your heritage/background was. If you are white and married a white person, there is absolutely nothign wrong with that, but sorry, for the purposes of this thread that is not an "interracial marriage".

Edward · #48 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Montanablue

I may be soon...

Something you need to share with us?

kvanlaan · #49 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:23 PM

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This poll never asked what your heritage/background was. If you are white and married a white person, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but sorry, for the purposes of this thread that is not an "interracial marriage".

So then it is about skin color, not race?

Andres · #50 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:28 PM

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This poll never asked what your heritage/background was. If you are white and married a white person, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but sorry, for the purposes of this thread that is not an "interracial marriage".

So then it is about surface color, not race?

I am not sure how to answer this question, but I guess we would have to define race for each persons answer. My interpretation is that a person who gets on here and says, "oh I have german ancestors and my wife has irish ancestors" they are typically both white Americans and I do not consider that "interracial".

Montanablue · #51 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:33 PM

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This poll never asked what your heritage/background was. If you are white and married a white person, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but sorry, for the purposes of this thread that is not an "interracial marriage".

So then it is about skin color, not race?

I think there's a difference between ethnicity and race. Ethnicity refers to ethnic group - Irish, Polish, Italian, Mexican, Russian, West African etc. Race refers to skin color - black, white, Asian etc. Someone can correct if I'm wrong, but I think that's the general understanding.

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Originally Posted by Edward

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Originally Posted by Montanablue

I may be soon...

Something you need to share with us?

Well, we're still in talks.

But I'll keep everyone updated.

kvanlaan · #52 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:45 PM

My family is been documented Frisian for well over 500 years, which makes me racially Northern-European (and severely inbred!), as I am the first generation born abroad. My wife's grandmother is mostly Cherokee, the rest is a blend, so she is of a different race. We are thus interracial, terminologically speaking. But to someone looking at only skin color, we are a WASP-ish couple. Racially, though, we are likely as distant as you and your wife.

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Race refers to skin color - black, white, Asian etc.

Race describes biological descent. Ethnicity describes cultural heritage.

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Or, as someone else puts it:

"Ethnicity refers to selected cultural and sometimes physical characteristics used to classify people into groups or categories considered to be significantly different from others.

A race is a biological subspecies, or variety of a species, consisting of a more or less distinct population with anatomical traits that distinguish it clearly from other races"

*I do realize that I'm sort of being difficult.*

Jennie · #53 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 09:51 PM

I'm all British Isles, with ancestors from England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.

My husband's ancestors were from Scotland, England, France, Bavaria (Jewish), and Pawnee.

We both love ****-a-leekie soup and the roasted Indian corn available only at pow-wows. When I speak to him in Scots Gaelic he gets totally confused. Fortunately for me, he doesn't know much Pawnee.

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There is a delicious soup from Scotland which combines chicken, leeks, thyme, and pepper. A few people add prunes, but I never do. According to legend, the chicken chosen for the soup was the male chicken who lost the last male chicken fight. That's the true name of the soup; it has to do with the gender of the chicken. Good grief. I hope this makes sense. I don't want everyone to think I write bad words on the board. I'm just used to calling the soup by its common, centuries old name: male chicken-a-leekie.

MarieP · #54 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:00 PM

Some of my relatives from a century or so ago married within the family. I just learned this. So that's why I'm the way I am...

Edward · #55 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Andres

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Originally Posted by kvanlaan

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This poll never asked what your heritage/background was. If you are white and married a white person, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but sorry, for the purposes of this thread that is not an "interracial marriage".

So then it is about surface color, not race?

I am not sure how to answer this question, but I guess we would have to define race for each persons answer. My interpretation is that a person who gets on here and says, "oh I have german ancestors and my wife has irish ancestors" they are typically both white Americans and I do not consider that "interracial".

The problem starts with the original post, since Hispanic isn't a race.

MarieP · #56 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jennie

I'm all British Isles, with ancestors from England, Ireland, Scotland, and Wales.

My husband's ancestors were from Scotland, England, France, Bavaria (Jewish), and Pawnee.

We both love ****-a-leekie soup and the roasted Indian corn available only at pow-wows. When I speak to him in Scots Gaelic he gets totally confused. Fortunately for me, he doesn't know much Pawnee.

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There is a delicious soup from Scotland which combines chicken, leeks, thyme, and pepper. A few people add prunes, but I never do. According to legend, the chicken chosen for the soup was the male chicken who lost the last male chicken fight. That's the true name of the soup; it has to do with the gender of the chicken. Good grief. I hope this makes sense. I don't want everyone to think I write bad words on the board. I'm just used to calling the soup by its common, centuries old name: male chicken-a-leekie.

It must be an automatic filter...

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So if I ask about how many times the **** crowed before midnight or whether it was one ass or two that Jesus rode upon... Profanity filters are weird like that because they don't take context into account (how could they?)

kvanlaan · #57 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:12 PM

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The problem starts with the original post, since Hispanic isn't a race.

But I don't doubt that society at large thinks that it is. I think it is one of those terms that has evolved over time.

Edward · #58 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Montanablue

Well, we're still in talks.

But I'll keep everyone updated.

You do know that guys hate that, don't you?

To be fair about it, what does your brother think of the situation?

And, finally, isn't this a public forum? Do we need to go through and delete some of these posts?

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The problem starts with the original post, since Hispanic isn't a race.

But I don't doubt that society at large thinks that it is. I think it is one of those terms that has evolved over time.

You don't think society would notice the difference between an Afro-Cuban or Brazilian and someone of predominately German heritage from Argentina?

Andres · #59 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Montanablue

I think there's a difference between ethnicity and race. Ethnicity refers to ethnic group - Irish, Polish, Italian, Mexican, Russian, West African etc. Race refers to skin color - black, white, Asian etc. Someone can correct if I'm wrong, but I think that's the general understanding.

Yes, this is the definition I was referring to. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Edward

The problem starts with the original post, since Hispanic isn't a race.

maybe not, but anyone with a shred of common sense would have known what the TS was referring to considering the context of his question/post.

Montanablue · #60 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:43 PM

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You do know that guys hate that, don't you?

To be fair about it, what does your brother think of the situation?

And, finally, isn't this a public forum? Do we need to go through and delete some of these posts?

I was being tongue in cheek... Keeping everyone updated is actually the opposite of what I'll be doing.

Sorry to derail the thread.

Edit: I feel like I should clarify, since apparently my comment (which was made jokingly) was misinterpreted

- I am in a serious relationship and the subject of marriage has been discussed, which is why I said we were "in talks." I was joking - something I sometimes do with less success than others.

- My boyfriend would not mind me mentioning this in a public forum - all of our friends and family know what's going on, its common knowledge.

- If my brother had a concern about our relationship, I would welcome hearing it. (And he knows that)

kvanlaan · #61 (**permalink**) 10-15-2009, 10:59 PM

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You don't think society would notice the difference between an Afro-Cuban or Brazilian and someone of predominately German heritage from Argentina?

Yes, most certainly. Jus' sayin', the terminology didn't fit.

Jerusalem Blade · #62 (**permalink**) 10-16-2009, 01:23 AM

My understanding is there is but one race, the human race (of one blood); when the nations were divided we became a variety of peoples; one of the Biblical terms is ethnos, as in "nation [ethnos] shall rise against nation" (Matt 24:7), and God "hath made of one blood all nations [ethnos] of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth" (Acts 17:26), etc.

Even within one country ethnos may rise against ethnos (people-group against people-group) as we have seen all too often, even in our own day.

The Biblical distinctions pertain not to cultural differences but to differing people-groups. I prefer the Biblical understanding; I am one race with my African, Latin, Asian, Native American etc brethren, though of a different ethnos — and we all are "of one blood".

I realize there are different definitions. I hold the Biblical one to be the true one.

nicnap · #63 (**permalink**) 10-16-2009, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Repre5entYHWH

my mom is full mexican my dad is full german so i'm a beanerschnitzel and my wife is white.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...............hahahaha hahahahahahahahahahaha! *sniff* Whew, that was good.

TimV · #64 (**permalink**) 10-16-2009, 09:16 AM

We all hold the Biblical definition to be the true one, but that doesn't mean we all hold to the Biblical definition.

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Ezr 9:2 For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy race has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost."

You could translate that "holy seed" but translating that "holy ethnic group" is cumbersome. There's nothing wrong with the term interracial. It's a term accepted everywhere in the English speaking world.

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Act 7:19 He dealt shrewdly with our race and forced our fathers to expose their infants, so that they would not be kept alive.

Our people, our kindred, our race, yes, but our ethnic group? It just doesn't flow.

Jerusalem Blade · #65 (**permalink**) 10-17-2009, 02:02 AM

Indeed, I would agree with you, Tim, that "ethnic group" would be poor linguistically. My point is that the Greek ethnos refers to a people group rather than a race (as it is poorly used everywhere in the English-speaking world). We are one race, the human.

Peter wrote a "holy ethnos - holy nation" in 1 Pet 2:9, and Daniel a "holy people" in Daniel 12:7 and 8:24.

If we accept that we are different "races" as it is understood by "racists", we acknowledge the false distinction they make to promote the division they thrive on.

Of course, you could legitimately hold your view without being racist, as many do. I prefer my approach. Language can be changed, and new or narrower meanings given to words.