What System of Covenant Theology Do You Hold? Or Other

Coram Deo · #1 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007, 11:07 PM

What System of Covenant Theology do you hold? Here are the options..

1. Unity Theology - Church and Israel United into the Olive Branch which is Christ. Some of Physical Israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and enter into the Church. The true Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham.

2. Replacement Theology - The church completely replaces Israel. Live, Stock, and Barrel.

3. Separation Theology - Church is completely different entity then Israel, Also known as Dispensationalism.

4. Other

Coram Deo · #2 (**permalink**) 12-17-2007, 11:14 PM

Those who pick "Other"

Do you please explain?

danmpem · #3 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 01:19 AM

I don't really even understand the differences in them. To a point, I understand some conceptual differences, but I have not read anything that really helps me see each side reasonably and understandably.

Ivanhoe · #4 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 06:51 AM

Unity theology. I do not believe the church replaces Israel.

Pilgrim Standard · #5 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 08:45 AM

1. Provided that it is understood that the true Israel is made [from] the church and physical seed of Abraham, and not that the True Israel is made up of all the visible church and all of the physical seed of Abraham. I think that is a given though. All Israel shall be saved. This I believe includes all the elect from Adam to the last person who enters the Kingdom of God.

Blueridge Believer · #6 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spear Dane

Unity theology. I do not believe the church replaces Israel.

Romans922 · #7 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by thunaer

What System of Covenant Theology do you hold? Here are the options..

1. Unity Theology - Church and Israel United into the Olive Branch which is Christ. Some of Physical Israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and enter into the Church. The true Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham.

2. Replacement Theology - The church completely replaces Israel. Live, Stock, and Barrel.

3. Separation Theology - Church is completely different entity then Israel, Also known as Dispensationalism.

4. Other

For Unity Theology, does one have to agree that some physical israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and that True Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham?

My current understanding (although I haven't studied it in great length) is that True Israel is made up of All Types of People (Galatians 3:27-29), meaning the spiritual seed of Abraham (not physical). I don't really think I am saying any thing different than you though, just different words. But the physical israel being regrafted back in part, I don't know if I agree with. It is of my understanding that their regrafting takes places throughout the period we are in now. Who's view is this that I am espousing? And what view are you espousing? I forgot (Calvin, Ridderbos, Murray)?

Pilgrim Standard · #8 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 11:03 AM

I don’t think Unity Theology necessitates a future regraft near the end times, although the way that it is presented in the poll seems to suggest that. I understand it to contrast point number 2 in that the Church is the Continuance if Israel an not the replacement of it. I also think of it in terms of Galatians 3:28-29

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There is neither Jew nor Grecian, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female; for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs by promise.

This I believe to be true historically exempli gratia the seed of Abraham that are heirs by promise do not include the likes of Judas.

My point being
1. is a continuance of Israel, looking with the eyes of the spirit,
2. is the replacement of Israel looking with the eyes of the flesh.

KMK · #9 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Romans922

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Originally Posted by thunaer

What System of Covenant Theology do you hold? Here are the options..

1. Unity Theology - Church and Israel United into the Olive Branch which is Christ. Some of Physical Israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and enter into the Church. The true Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham.

2. Replacement Theology - The church completely replaces Israel. Live, Stock, and Barrel.

3. Separation Theology - Church is completely different entity then Israel, Also known as Dispensationalism.

4. Other

For Unity Theology, does one have to agree that some physical israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and that True Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham?

My current understanding (although I haven't studied it in great length) is that True Israel is made up of All Types of People (Galatians 3:27-29), meaning the spiritual seed of Abraham (not physical). I don't really think I am saying any thing different than you though, just different words. But the physical israel being regrafted back in part, I don't know if I agree with. It is of my understanding that their regrafting takes places throughout the period we are in now. Who's view is this that I am espousing? And what view are you espousing? I forgot (Calvin, Ridderbos, Murray)?

JM · #10 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 01:40 PM

Voted other: modified covenant theology

theologae · #11 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 01:45 PM

Unity theology. Isn't 'replacement theology' just a dirty name that dispies call the Reformed?

Coram Deo · #12 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 02:06 PM

I have seen articles from Reformed websites claiming replacement theology which is why I added it...

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Originally Posted by theologae

Unity theology. Isn't 'replacement theology' just a dirty name that dispies call the Reformed?

Pilgrim's Progeny · #13 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 02:26 PM

I believe that the true church is the the elect through the ages. There were Gentiles who were grafted in before Christ. Since Christ, it appears that the Jews have taken a back seat to the Gentiles as the Gentiles have been abuntantly grafted in, though by and by many Jews will come to faith. It seems to be a kind of flip flop. There has never been a inward distinction just an outward as God has moved through the ages. I chose other, not becase I do not believe in Unity theology, I just have trouble with the given definition, as you may have trouble defining my post. It is probably my thick head.

Jerusalem Blade · #14 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 02:31 PM

I submit some PB essays on this very topic for consideration, ”The First ‘Replacement Theologian’”, “Spiritual Identity Theft”, and a related piece, “What Jerusalem? What Temple?” It’s a nuanced subject, and I’ve tried to clarify the issues.

Pilgrim · #15 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by thunaer

I have seen articles from Reformed websites claiming replacement theology which is why I added it...

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Originally Posted by theologae

Unity theology. Isn't 'replacement theology' just a dirty name that dispies call the Reformed?

Any examples you could point us to? In my understanding so called "replacement theology" isn't something that is now or ever has been mainstream Reformed thought if it has ever been present at all.

Romans922 · #16 (**permalink**) 12-18-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Romans922

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Originally Posted by thunaer

What System of Covenant Theology do you hold? Here are the options..

1. Unity Theology - Church and Israel United into the Olive Branch which is Christ. Some of Physical Israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and enter into the Church. The true Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham.

2. Replacement Theology - The church completely replaces Israel. Live, Stock, and Barrel.

3. Separation Theology - Church is completely different entity then Israel, Also known as Dispensationalism.

4. Other

For Unity Theology, does one have to agree that some physical israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and that True Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham?

My current understanding (although I haven't studied it in great length) is that True Israel is made up of All Types of People (Galatians 3:27-29), meaning the spiritual seed of Abraham (not physical). I don't really think I am saying any thing different than you though, just different words. But the physical israel being regrafted back in part, I don't know if I agree with. It is of my understanding that their regrafting takes places throughout the period we are in now. Who's view is this that I am espousing? And what view are you espousing? I forgot (Calvin, Ridderbos, Murray)?

After looking at my notes and not just throwing out names here but, I found that OPTION 1 is more in line with John Murray's view (I think) and the view I stated is more in line with Calvin's view (I think). Please correct me if I am wrong.

Puritan Sailor · #17 (**permalink**) 12-19-2007, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Romans922

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Originally Posted by thunaer

What System of Covenant Theology do you hold? Here are the options..

1. Unity Theology - Church and Israel United into the Olive Branch which is Christ. Some of Physical Israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and enter into the Church. The true Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham.

2. Replacement Theology - The church completely replaces Israel. Live, Stock, and Barrel.

3. Separation Theology - Church is completely different entity then Israel, Also known as Dispensationalism.

4. Other

For Unity Theology, does one have to agree that some physical israel will be regrafted back in near the end times and that True Israel is made from the church and physical seed of Abraham?

My current understanding (although I haven't studied it in great length) is that True Israel is made up of All Types of People (Galatians 3:27-29), meaning the spiritual seed of Abraham (not physical). I don't really think I am saying any thing different than you though, just different words. But the physical israel being regrafted back in part, I don't know if I agree with. It is of my understanding that their regrafting takes places throughout the period we are in now. Who's view is this that I am espousing? And what view are you espousing? I forgot (Calvin, Ridderbos, Murray)?

I believe it is an ongoing regrafting of elect jews to the Church until Christ returns, not an endtimes revival.