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| | Here is a MUST read book on Covenant Theology, this is where it came from. My whole denomination (RCUS) can't stop talking about this book.  Amazon.com: Fountainhead of Federalism: Heinrich...
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| | | Baker's "Two-Streams" theory and McCoy's interpretation of federalism have been seriously challenged. FWIW, I do not recommend this volume as a sound introduction to the history of covenant theology.
Cornel Venema has provided a much sounder interpretation of Bullinger and Van Asselt has provided the definitive work on Cocceius (C. McCoy's entry point into federalism). The English transl. of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book.
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| | | could someone direct me to a good intro as to "What is federalist theology" (Please no wikepedia- that is blocked by BJU) Thanks!
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark  of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | That is the reason. We at church only went through the last chapter which is from Bullinger. |
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | That is the reason. We at church only went through the last chapter which is from Bullinger. | Is this from his Decades, or is it a stand-alone treatise?
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | That is the reason. We at church only went through the last chapter which is from Bullinger. | Is this from his Decades, or is it a stand-alone treatise? | It's a stand-alone, said to be "the first book devoted to the subject of the covenant in 1500 years of the Christian church" (Angus Stewart): A Brief Exposition of the One and Eternal Testament or Covenant of God (1534, actually completed in November 1533).
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Originally Posted by VirginiaHuguenot It's a stand-alone, said to be "the first book devoted to the subject of the covenant in 1500 years of the Christian church" (Angus Stewart): A Brief Exposition of the One and Eternal Testament or Covenant of God (1534, actually completed in November 1533). | Is this book then the only place where an English translation is available? |
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Originally Posted by VirginiaHuguenot It's a stand-alone, said to be "the first book devoted to the subject of the covenant in 1500 years of the Christian church" (Angus Stewart): A Brief Exposition of the One and Eternal Testament or Covenant of God (1534, actually completed in November 1533). | Is this book then the only place where an English translation is available? | As far as I know, yes. For a study of the background of Bullinger's treatise, see J. Wayne Baker, "Church, State, and Dissent: The Crisis of the Swiss Reformation, 1531-1536," Church History 57 (1988): 135-152. | | The Following User Says Thank You to VirginiaHuguenot For This Useful Post: | |
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Cornel Venema has provided a much sounder interpretation of Bullinger and Van Asselt has provided the definitive work on Cocceius (C. McCoy's entry point into federalism). The English transl. of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | Could someone provide the information on this Venema book? I'd like to read the Bullinger material.
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Baker's "Two-Streams" theory and McCoy's interpretation of federalism have been seriously challenged. FWIW, I do not recommend this volume as a sound introduction to the history of covenant theology.
Cornel Venema has provided a much sounder interpretation of Bullinger and Van Asselt has provided the definitive work on Cocceius (C. McCoy's entry point into federalism). The English transl. of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | Boy - Venema's affordable, but the Van Asselt book (at Amazon at least) is going to cost a pretty penny! (18,000 of them, plus shipping!)
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| | Van Asselt's book is brilliant. You could get it via ILL at your local library. I recommend it highly. I think it's worth every penny. Quote:
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Baker's "Two-Streams" theory and McCoy's interpretation of federalism have been seriously challenged. FWIW, I do not recommend this volume as a sound introduction to the history of covenant theology.
Cornel Venema has provided a much sounder interpretation of Bullinger and Van Asselt has provided the definitive work on Cocceius (C. McCoy's entry point into federalism). The English transl. of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | Boy - Venema's affordable, but the Van Asselt book (at Amazon at least) is going to cost a pretty penny! (18,000 of them, plus shipping!) | |
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Van Asselt's book is brilliant. You could get it via ILL at your local library. I recommend it highly. I think it's worth every penny. | Of that I'm certain.... just don't have so many at the moment,
and I couldn't drop everything else for the 3 week ILL period to
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Baker's "Two-Streams" theory and McCoy's interpretation of federalism have been seriously challenged. FWIW, I do not recommend this volume as a sound introduction to the history of covenant theology.
Cornel Venema has provided a much sounder interpretation of Bullinger and Van Asselt has provided the definitive work on Cocceius (C. McCoy's entry point into federalism). The English transl. of Bullinger at the end is the most useful thing about the book. | Boy - Venema's affordable, but the Van Asselt book (at Amazon at least) is going to cost a pretty penny! (18,000 of them, plus shipping!) | There are cheaper copies of Van Asselt's book to be found at Bookfinder.com.
It is also available online at Google Books for limited preview: The Federal Theology of Johannes ... - Google Book Search
Likewise, McCoy/Baker: Fountainhead of Federalism: Heinrich ... - Google Book Search
FWIW, There was another thread recently where I recommended a few books on federal/covenant theology: CT books please  |
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Originally Posted by ModernPuritan? could someone direct me to a good intro as to "What is federalist theology" (Please no wikepedia- that is blocked by BJU) Thanks! | Wikipedia is blocked by BJU (which I'm assuming is Bob Jones University)?!?!?!? How in the world do they justify that?
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