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Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful (Heb. 10:23)

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God.

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Old 12-10-2007, 02:45 PM
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Sin passed by procreation/sex?

So I had a girl tell me in response to WLC on how sin is passed on (original sin) that because the WLC uses the words 'natural generation' that means that sin is passed by sex. But since Christ wasn't conceived by sex 'not by ordinary generation' then technically if no one had sex anymore sin would be destroyed.
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So I had a girl tell me in response to WLC on how sin is passed on (original sin) that because the WLC uses the words 'natural generation' that means that sin is passed by sex. But since Christ wasn't conceived by sex 'not by ordinary generation' then technically if no one had sex anymore sin would be destroyed.
That's quite a big leap. I guess, if God chose to wipe out humanity then sin would indeed then be destroyed.

EDIT: Also, I'd like to see the church tell the world "Ok, now guys, stop having sex! If there is no more sex, there won't be any more sin!"
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Yeah sex is powerful and mishandled by both the world and the church. It is not dirty it is wonderful and binding in its context but the world misuses it like all of God's glorious gifts and forsakes it's true intent and covenantal purpose the church in turn has been reactionary and flushed in the face when dealing with marital intimacy instead of better establishing it as just that, marital intimacy, a gift for married people.
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So I had a girl tell me in response to WLC on how sin is passed on (original sin) that because the WLC uses the words 'natural generation' that means that sin is passed by sex. But since Christ wasn't conceived by sex 'not by ordinary generation' then technically if no one had sex anymore sin would be destroyed.
No more sex spells the end of the human race, never mind sin. Would the apostle command couples to sin (1.Cor.7:3)?
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So would IVF fall under "natural generation"?
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So would IVF fall under "natural generation"?
Good point!
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So would IVF fall under "natural generation"?
Certainly. Fertilisation is still required.
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So would IVF fall under "natural generation"?
Certainly. Fertilisation is still required.
I deleted my post because I realised afterwards that the question was rhetorical.
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Q. 26. How is original sin conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity?
A. Original sin is conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity by natural generation, so as all that proceed from them in that way are conceived and born in sin.


So does natural generation mean sex or conception?
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Q. 26. How is original sin conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity?
A. Original sin is conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity by natural generation, so as all that proceed from them in that way are conceived and born in sin.


So does natural generation mean sex or conception?
Conception. Nothing is created by the sexual act alone.
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Q. 26. How is original sin conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity?
A. Original sin is conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity by natural generation, so as all that proceed from them in that way are conceived and born in sin.


So does natural generation mean sex or conception?
Conception. Nothing is created by the sexual act alone.
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that's what i was thinking.
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Q. 26. How is original sin conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity?
A. Original sin is conveyed from our first parents unto their posterity by natural generation, so as all that proceed from them in that way are conceived and born in sin.


So does natural generation mean sex or conception?
Conception. Nothing is created by the sexual act alone.
This is the perfect set-up for some snappy comeback but I will allow Bawb the honor...
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