I have a tendancy to speak from the flesh which is not intended Richard. There is no pride taken whatsoever. It is a topic too vast for me to even begin to scratch the surface. That being said, I ask that these distinctions be defined concretely and just not stated as :He merely stated that Creationism does not necessarily deny that corruption is conveyed from parents to posterity but that it views that conveyance differently. If I offended Matthew, I apologize. But since he has not eluded to the fact that I have, I was unaware that my tone was offensive.

Thank you for the warning and not banning me from this thread. I find matthew engaging and very articulate; moreso than myself. I have attempted to cover a good amount of ground on the subject and whether Mathew, you or anyone will be satisfied I do not know. I will not say that after all I have said, and my attempt to convey the subjects clearly, I have accomplished this goal to any degree. I pray that God enables some others to set the subject in a clearer light, or may lead some to understand the ideas I have attempted to speak and if they are wrong to bring me repentance.

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Another Question on the HC, was presented today in study.

Question 11. Is not God then also merciful?
Answer. God is indeed merciful, [h] but also just; [i] therefore his justice requires, [j] that sin which is committed against the most high majesty of God, be also punished with extreme, that is, with everlasting [k] punishment of body and soul.

The question was asked, how did Christ satisfy God with everlasting/eternal punishment of body and soul when He was rasied in 3 days. I thought it was a good question, one that was not answered succesfully. Please help....

The gift is valued according to the altar on which it is presented. Christ offered Himself through the eternal Spirit, Heb. 9:14, that is to say, He offered His human nature on the altar of His divine nature. His divine nature being eternal, His offering possesses an eternal quality. Hence, although Christ did not sacrifice Himself eternally, He nevertheless offered an eternal sacrifice to satisfy divine justice.

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"Illum oportet crescere me autem minui."

Thank you Matthew. Is there writings on this? Can it be understood that His sacrafice is unending?

Well done, Matthew. That's an important distinction, inasmuch as the Roman Catholic Church, if I remember rightly, insists that, in every Mass, Christ is offered as a sacrifice anew. Hence, they're use of the crucifix: they won't let our Lord off the cross. Our Lord offering an eternal sacrifice is a far different thing from sacrificing Himself eternally. The former is biblical; the latter is most definitely not.

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The book of Hebrews is the best place to start. There we find great emphasis placed upon the divine dignity and superiority of Christ's person as a conclusive argument for regarding His sacrifice as supreme. For secondary materials, see Shorter Catechism answer 25; and expositions like those of Boston and Fisher explain the infinite value of Christ's sacrifice.

No, the sacrifice can't be considered unending because it is very clearly marked as something that has been accomplished once in the past. What we do find, however, is that Christ continually presents His one completed sacrifice in the heavenly tabernacle as a part of His continual intercession which He makes for His people whereby He saves them to the uttermost.

Good point, Richard. Christ is perpetually humiliated and barely glorified in the Mass and its theology.

Could you please explain functionally infallible. I think I have a sense of what you mean, but I would like some clarification to be certain.

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Providence Reformed Baptist (member), Toledo Ohio
2nd London Baptist Confession of Faith 1689

And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live. Ezk 16:6

Where I am getting the "unending thought" is located here:

24For Christ has entered, not into holy places(AV) made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God(AW) on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as(AX) the high priest enters(AY) the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is,(AZ) he has appeared(BA) once for all(BB) at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

THis most assuredly speaks of an eschalogical effect of His death right? The sacrifice of Christ was made in time, however its effect transcends time. Even when time itself is no more, the redemption we have through Christ�s sacrifice will remain. This is the answer I should have given to the person who asked the question.