I quote from chapter three sections 3 & 4 of the 1689 LBC:

Angels are predestined to eternal life through Jesus Christ?

Thoughts?

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Bill Brown
Elder
Grace Baptist Church
Anne Arundel County, Maryland

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I'm glad I hold to the original. The revision is indefensible. Blessings, Bill.

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Yours sincerely,


"Illum oportet crescere me autem minui."

Brother Matthew, can you elucidate more on your comment. When you refer to "the original" are you referencing the earlier LBC or the WCF.

Blessings to you also.

Comparing the 1689 LBC with the WCF:

1689 LBC
WCF
The WCF omits the inference of an atonement for angels. Unless someone can provide me with a cogent argument for the LBC's position on God's Decree, I believe the WCF is more accurate in this instance.

Bill, I was referring to the WCF.

*bump*

Any Baptists have a comment to offer?

nope - I hold to the WCF on this.

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1Thess5:21
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Serving in the SBC
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Wow, I hadn't noticed this specifically. The only thing I can imagine that my Baptist forbears were saying is that all blessing from God come through the cross of Christ. No angel is, by nature, eternal and deserving of eternal life. I don't think the LBC is saying the angels were "atoned for" by the cross of Christ, but that, they depend on the cross of Christ for their very existence. As such, their eternal existence is dependent on the cross of Christ as well.

Now, after defending their statement, I would rather see the WCF statement any day because it avoids the questions.

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Perhaps they were thinking of this passage of scripture: KJV Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

What does the Savoy Confession say on this point? I don't have a copy of it.

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Mark Langley
Pastor of Reformed Baptist Church of Topeka, KS
www.reformingworship.org

I think they clear it up a little with the final statement:


4. These angels and men thus predestinated and foreordained, are particularly and unchangeably designed, and their number so certain and definite, that it cannot be either increased or diminished.
( 2 Timothy 2:19; John 13:18 )

5. Those of mankind that are predestinated to life, God, before the foundation of the world was laid, according to his eternal and immutable purpose, and the secret counsel and good pleasure of his will, hath chosen in Christ unto everlasting glory, out of his mere free grace and love, without any other thing in the creature as a condition or cause moving him thereunto.
( Ephesians 1:4, 9, 11; Romans 8:30; 2 Timothy 1:9; 1 Thessalonians 5:9; Romans 9:13, 16; Ephesians 2:5, 12 )

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1689 Baptist Confession

Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
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