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Originally Posted by greenbaggins The Covenantal Gospel, by Cornelis van der Waal | Well that piqued my interest. Though I certainly wouldn't rank it as my favorite, I am interested as to why you would rank it as one of the worst you have ever read. | Because it completely repudiates the definitions of covenant given by Witsius, a'Brakel, Turretin, and the WCF, by denying that covenant is an agreement, and saying instead that it is a relationship. Furthermore, according to van der Waal, the covenant is not made with the elect (contra the WLC), and hence does not have an internal/external distinction, but is rather along the lines of Schilder. Van der Waal is a precursor to the Federal Vision, in other words. Barach and Schlissel both say that their doctrine of the covenant is based on him, at least to some extent.
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Anything by 'the Pearls'.
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| | | New Age Bible Versions, by Gail Riplinger. Even my KJV-only friends were embarrassed at this one. Her arguments are silly at best, and shamefully dishonest at worst. Why, one wonders, would anyone seriously read a book on textual issues written by someone with a home economics degree, and who knows neither of the Biblical languages? ( I had to for a class).
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| | | Grace by Lewis Sperry Chafer - a classic dispensationalist tells us grace is. Yuck. Prayer - Asking and Receiving by John R. Rice - an old-style fundamentalist thinks this is all there is to prayer. Yuck.
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Couple of books by Neil T. Anderson...Bondage Breaker and I can't remember the other one.
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Anybody ever hear of C.S. Lovett?
Hew boy....those were stinkers.
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"The Saving Life of Christ" by Major W. Ian Thomas - miserable "carnal Christian" sanctification theology - this book really did a number on me.
Ditto for Charles Stanley's works.
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| | | Mere Christianity by C S Lewis. Lewis was a clever writer, and this book makes some good points and interesting observations, but Lewis ultimately misses the heart of the Christian faith. His "mere Christianity" should be about the Gospel, in its purist form, instead it is Lewis' attempt at ecumenism, with mere Christianity defined roughly as "what all branches of Christianity believe." I made the awful mistake of rereading this book during a theological crisis in my early 20's, as Lewis had been my favourite author as a teenager, and came away thinking that Lewis was very confused as to what the Gospel actually was. The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money by John Maynard Keynes. I had to read this book, and an earlier work by Keynes, and write an essay on them in 3 days as an undergrad. Quite possibly the worst non-theological book ever written on any topic. Poorly written, containing constant obfuscations and errors of logic, while claiming to do the opposite. In the end, Keynes' economic system just doesn't add up, and he never deals with the stronger arguments of his opponents, which were already well known in 1936. Keynes was a very clever man, and highly articulate in person, but had an awful habit of deliberately convoluted and confusing writing. The 1938 German edition contained some wholehearted praise from Keynes for Hitler's government in the Introduction.
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Originally Posted by Storm "Velvet Elivis" should be taken off "the list." It is a very good book. Rob Bell is so smart that you guys probably think he's messed up. Read it again...slowly...and you'll find some great stuff!
Also, "The Shack" is one of the BEST books I've recently read. Yes, I had a hard time with the idea that God could reveal Himself as a large black woman who bakes...but remember "The Matrix???" Also, what Calvinists often forget is that they're "perfect" theology must work on this earth, in real time and space and with people who are fallen and often live with horrible tragedy.
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There have been more than a couple of books I have enjoyed are listed here. While I can't say that my overall opinion of them will change, the comments here, though, have provoked me to look closer at them. Thank you!
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| | | 666 by Salem Kirban. I hope that it's long out of print.
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Originally Posted by Contra Marcion New Age Bible Versions, by Gail Riplinger. Even my KJV-only friends were embarrassed at this one. Her arguments are silly at best, and shamefully dishonest at worst. Why, one wonders, would anyone seriously read a book on textual issues written by someone with a home economics degree, and who knows neither of the Biblical languages? ( I had to for a class). |  That was the first ever Christian book I bought, and the worst I ever read - though I did not realise it at the time.
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Recently, the worst book I've read is the Book of Mormon. The number of times it says "it came to pass" is ridiculous.
Probability and Statistical Inference by Hogg and Tanis was a fairly bad textbook I had to read two semesters ago.
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I agree with John J. above, "What Love is This?" by Dave Hunt. It infuriated me.
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Originally Posted by Theogenes I agree with John J. above, "What Love is This?" by Dave Hunt. It infuriated me. |
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How about the worst book you ever tried to read. I really tried to read Brian McLaren's "A Generous Orthodoxy" but I just couldn't finish it.
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Also one of the first books recommended to me after I became Christian. The Bondage Breaker by Niel T. Anderson.
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Originally Posted by joshua A New Kind of Christian by Brian McLaren.  | A Generous Orthodoxy by Brian McLaren.
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Originally Posted by Contra Marcion New Age Bible Versions, by Gail Riplinger. Even my KJV-only friends were embarrassed at this one. Her arguments are silly at best, and shamefully dishonest at worst. Why, one wonders, would anyone seriously read a book on textual issues written by someone with a home economics degree, and who knows neither of the Biblical languages? ( I had to for a class). | I totally forgot this book! Great example! I went through the first fifty pages, and documented all the factual errors in her quotations of the modern versions. Constantly, she misrepresented the facts, by saying that "the modern versions say x," when only one of them did, and the rest agreed with the KJV! She made the differences far greater than they actually are. Furthermore, she has no hermeneutical training, and so she misrepresents other differences as well. I had a 13 page document when I was done, ripping her book to shreds. James White has quite adequately answered her as well.
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Originally Posted by jaybird0827 666 by Salem Kirban. I hope that it's long out of print. |
I've got that book at the house. If you've lost yours I'll be gald to sell you mine.
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Originally Posted by bookslover Grace by Lewis Sperry Chafer - a classic dispensationalist tells us grace is. Yuck. Prayer - Asking and Receiving by John R. Rice - an old-style fundamentalist thinks this is all there is to prayer. Yuck. | Another John R. Rice book that nobody needs to waste their time on is: Predestined For Hell? No! | 
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Originally Posted by jaybird0827 666 by Salem Kirban. I hope that it's long out of print. |
I've got that book at the house. If you've lost yours I'll be gald to sell you mine.  |
No sir, in that case I would expect you to pay me to take it off your hands.
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Originally Posted by PuritanCovenanter The Millenial Maze by Grenz was pretty good.
As far as bad books go....
So Great a Salvation by Ryrie.....
I had to go out of my way to read it because we were doing critiques on Lordship salvation. Zane Hodges book was terrible also. I was first discipled by guys who were dispensational in thinking so they introduced me to Clarence Larkin's Dispensational truths. I round filed it right away when Larkin said the Church wasn't in the Old Testament and that its birthday was at Pentacost.
I avoid bad theological books. I don't have enough time to read all the good ones. | I like your new avatar, Randy. Perhaps you could manufacture it and sell it for profit. I would certainly buy one.
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Late Great Planet Earth by that greatest scholar of all time, Hal Lindsey.
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Originally Posted by greenbaggins What St. Paul Really Said, by N.T. Wright
The last two volumes of Westermann's Genesis commentary The Call of Grace, by Norman Shepherd The Covenantal Gospel, by Cornelis van der Waal A Faith That Is Never Alone, edited by Andrew Sandlin Women in the Church, by Grenz and Kjesbo The Federal Vision, by Wilkins and Garner | Rev,
I think I know why you put these in here, but worse than [I]Purpose Driven Life[I]or something by Osteen? Given the mass circulation of the Warren, Osteen, Hinn garbage--aren't they far more misleading? I guess what I'm asking is: Are widely circulated Osteen books worse than books by Norman Shepherd that 98 % of people in the world have never and would never pick up? Just curious. Thanks.
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Late Great Planet Earth by that greatest scholar of all time, Hal Lindsey.
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Originally Posted by Stephen Late Great Planet Earth by that greatest scholar of all time, Hal Lindsey. |  Now that's sarcasm. | 
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I was given a copy of The Believer's Authority by Kenneth Hagin peeehuuuu!! This guy is living proof that anyone can get people to follow them
I also read a book by his son called Executing Basics of Healing that one was worse than his fathers, I mean, it stinketh!!!!!
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Originally Posted by CalvinandHodges Hi: Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist, by John Piper.
Well, maybe not the worst, but it is up there in the top 3.
-CH |  That is a bit of an extreme statement. Especially as the book is endorsed by RC Sproul and John Macarthur.
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Late Great Planet Earth by that greatest scholar of all time, Hal Lindsey.
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Late Great Planet Earth by that greatest scholar of all time, Hal Lindsey.
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Dick and Jane. Did more to hinder my intellectual development than anything else.
The book of mormon was by far the most boring book I've ever read. Boring!!!! Boring!!! I had to read it because I was working with a bunch of mormons and I wanted to talk to them about their god. Did I say it was boring?
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| | The Signature of Jesus by Brennan Manning Not a reformed book, very fly by the seat of your pants mysticism.
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I almost forgot about Brennan Manning. I thought I had repressed the memory of reading this book, .
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Originally Posted by CalvinandHodges Hi: Desiring God: Meditations of a Christian Hedonist, by John Piper.
Well, maybe not the worst, but it is up there in the top 3.
-CH |  That is a bit of an extreme statement. Especially as the book is endorsed by RC Sproul and John Macarthur. | More than a bit.
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| | Recovering the Scandal of the Cross: Atonement in New Testament & Contemporary Contexts
by Joel B. Green and Mark D. Baker
I had to read this for a Christology class. It's basically the newest attempt to deny substitutionary atonement with a post-modern twist. They completely misrepresent covenant theology. Horrible scholarship...
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Originally Posted by jaybird0827 666 by Salem Kirban. I hope that it's long out of print. | Amen to that!
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Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian I almost forgot about Brennan Manning. I thought I had repressed the memory of reading this book, The Ragamuffin Gospel. | Manning has been recommended to be by some of my Reformed friends. Is he really that bad?
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The absolute worst is Barth, anything by Barth. John Hagee is more interesting than Barth. Probably more biblical too!
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