Carl Trueman has some vigorous-ish words for those who hold to strong a dichotomy in this review of Hart and Muether found in Ordained Servant.

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Unfortunately I have not read the original text he is "reviewing". As a review I find it a bit flat as it seems to focus on the early portions of "Seeking a Better Country". Is "Seeking" a text of some controversy?

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Cedartown, Georgia

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In deeper reverence, praise. - John Greenleaf Whittier 1807-1892

D.G. Hart and John Muether's "biting" response to the above article can be found here.

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Benjamin P. Glaser, M. Div, Licentiate, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church
Member Fairmount ARP Church
Pittsburgh, PA

Deo Vindice

I am new to the historical world of Presbyterianism, but it sounds like the same argument that goes round and round as to the origins of Baptists.

They seem to have been a little stung by the review.

Sort of reminds me of a couple of boys on the playground:

'Oh, yeah?'

'Yeah!'

'Oh, yeah?!'

'Yeah!!'

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Lawrence Underwood, Jr.
Pastor - Providence Family Fellowship / Mobile, Alabama
1644/46 LBC
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Since academics are still in school, they shouldn't be denied their play periods.

I typically agree with Hart and Muether's historical analysis of Presbyterian church history, but I have to say that I was pleasently surprised to see the challenge that Carl Trueman had brought before them. I also think that the request for documentation is a fair request and that it can/should be provided. however, I didnt sense the "Biting" tone in their response that others may have. I know from reading their books, especially DGH's, that they can have a very crisp and contrarian way of making a point that some may find a bitter pill to swallow. All in all I enjoy the above authors (Hart, Muether and Trueman) and hope that the dialogue continues.

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