I just started with this, and i think it will be the best book i ever read on the subject of predestination! !

JEROM ZANCHIUS (1516 - 1590 )-THE DOCTRINE OF ABSOLUTE PREDESTINATION

JEROME ZANCHIUS, "THE DOCTRINE OF ABSOLUTE PREDESTINATION" 0002

Anyone read it, thoughts ?

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* Ralph Wilms (7-10-1974)
* Church : Christengemeente Roermond (The Netherlands)
* Credobaptist who hold towards Covenant Theology
* Husband of Reena & father of Naomie and Gideon
* 1729 Goat Yard Declaration of Faith
* 1646 & 1689 Baptist Confession of faith
* 1595 The Lambeth Articles
* 1618-1619 The Canons of Dordt

Have never read it, do you have a link where I can read it off the internet. I am sure and absolutely convinced there is never anything that ever came to pass or will ever come to pass even in eternity that is not PREDESTINATED.

Is there anyone who can prove me otherwise.

Amen!

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Stephen
Faith Evangelical Presbyterian Church (EPC)
Lorton, VA

[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. - 2 Timothy 4:3-4

This work so infuriated Wesley that he published a counterfeit abridgement containing his own twisted venom against the doctrines of grace and forged Toplady's initials on it. So it has to be good.

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Mike
London City Presbyterian Church
London
England

"Surely, we wish to be orthodox, but we must first learn what real orthodoxy is. Surely, we wish to be progressive, but we must first have a basis to progress from."

Remember that this is a very bad translation and hotch-potch of Zanchi's original.

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Marty

"There is nothing so necessary to draw us to repentance as good thoughts of God." (Thomas Manton)

Is this in reference to Toplady's translation? or to Wesley's abridgment?

I have a comparison of the two on my webpage:
A Comparison of Toplady and Wesley

And I have some of the exchanges between Toplady and Wesley over this matter:
Controversy between Toplady and Wesley

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Lance G. Marshall
Pastor
Georgetown, Indiana
Soli Deo Gloria (my Reformed webpage)

It was a reference to Toplady's translation.

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Marty

"There is nothing so necessary to draw us to repentance as good thoughts of God." (Thomas Manton)

Could you give either a source for this our your own analysis as John Gill thought it was an excellent translation and this is the first time I have heard a calvinist speak against this work.

Toplady has suffered enormously from ill founded comment in the past (how could anyone speak badly of nice Mr Wesley after all) and I would like to see evidence that your comments are justified, they may well be but such a comment should be supported.

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Mike
London City Presbyterian Church
London
England

"Surely, we wish to be orthodox, but we must first learn what real orthodoxy is. Surely, we wish to be progressive, but we must first have a basis to progress from."

Ordering:

ABSOLUTE PREDESTINATION by Jerome Zanchius

This is the classic work on the doctrine of predestination. Written over 400 years ago, it was translated into English by Augustus M. Toplady. There has never been a serious attempt to refute this book, mainly because it cannot be refuted! Paper cover, 128 pages. $6.00 each, postage paid.

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* Ralph Wilms (7-10-1974)
* Church : Christengemeente Roermond (The Netherlands)
* Credobaptist who hold towards Covenant Theology
* Husband of Reena & father of Naomie and Gideon
* 1729 Goat Yard Declaration of Faith
* 1646 & 1689 Baptist Confession of faith
* 1595 The Lambeth Articles
* 1618-1619 The Canons of Dordt

Online:

The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination

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* Ralph Wilms (7-10-1974)
* Church : Christengemeente Roermond (The Netherlands)
* Credobaptist who hold towards Covenant Theology
* Husband of Reena & father of Naomie and Gideon
* 1729 Goat Yard Declaration of Faith
* 1646 & 1689 Baptist Confession of faith
* 1595 The Lambeth Articles
* 1618-1619 The Canons of Dordt

Listen audio book:
http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.as...rom%5EZanchius

Book:
SermonAudio.com - The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination

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* Ralph Wilms (7-10-1974)
* Church : Christengemeente Roermond (The Netherlands)
* Credobaptist who hold towards Covenant Theology
* Husband of Reena & father of Naomie and Gideon
* 1729 Goat Yard Declaration of Faith
* 1646 & 1689 Baptist Confession of faith
* 1595 The Lambeth Articles
* 1618-1619 The Canons of Dordt

I, too, would like to hear your reasons for asserting this.

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Lance G. Marshall
Pastor
Georgetown, Indiana
Soli Deo Gloria (my Reformed webpage)

I have read it.

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Sterling Harmon
Coventry, CT
PCA
Deacon
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"Whatever is laudable in our works proceeds from the grace of God."
-- John Calvin, Institutes III:xv.3.

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