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    Book Bindings and Covers

    What are the different book bindings/covers? Which are better?

    In particular, what is the difference between rare-bound and hardcover?

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    if you're talking about SWRB, typically they'll do a photocopy of a 2 page spread of a book on 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper (the quality is bad but readable). In rare-bound these sheets are bound together with a plastic spiral, in hardcover its a stiff cardboard like thingy.
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    Originally posted by Peter
    if you're talking about SWRB, typically they'll do a photocopy of a 2 page spread of a book on 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper (the quality is bad but readable).
    I was actually surprised how unreadable the material was on the CDs they sell. The RTS library has a copy so I looked at them, and they are incredibly hard to read.

    It is most likely a result of the nature of the originals, but I could not imaging trying to use them for regular study. It highlights the need even more for reprinting.
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    Fred,
    The set that is no longer sold by SWRB contains a large percentage of items from the old EEB (or EEBOnline) series of Early English Books (the reason it is no longer sold; I'll say no more). Many of these were filmed on microfilm just prior to WWII; the more recent ones filmed tend to be better as they went straight to digital. But you are right that it is best to work with originals to get the missing detail that gets lost (finer notes; difficult Greek or Hebrew, etc).
    Originally posted by fredtgreco
    Originally posted by Peter
    if you're talking about SWRB, typically they'll do a photocopy of a 2 page spread of a book on 8 1/2 X 11 sheet of paper (the quality is bad but readable).
    I was actually surprised how unreadable the material was on the CDs they sell. The RTS library has a copy so I looked at them, and they are incredibly hard to read.

    It is most likely a result of the nature of the originals, but I could not imaging trying to use them for regular study. It highlights the need even more for reprinting.
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    FYI here is a link to a glossary at abebooks.com on definitions of bindings, condition, other features of books. Don't think "rareboundphotocopy" is listed.:bigsmile:
    http://www.abebooks.com/docs/HelpCen...lerIndex.shtml
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    Thanks for the help everyone.

    One of the reasons I ask, is because I am interested in purchasing the works of George Gillespie and noticed that the SWRB edition has "A Dispute Against English Popish Ceremonies" (which is sadly out of print at Naphtali ) which I am particularly interested in aquiring sometime.

    Is this the best (only?) edition of his works?
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    Jeff,
    That may be a photocopy from the Armoury edition of G's Works. I'd keep an eye out for the SWRB reprint to get most of the works (they intentionally left out Aaron's Rod because Sprinkle had it in print, and unintentionally left out Assertion of the Government--poor choices/mistakes IMO). You can get the anonymous works for free in PDF at the Naphtali Press site. I saw a used copy of the NP EPC for sale by James Dickson books last week. 25 GBP so maybe about 50 USD plus shipping. Not sure if still available but you might check info@jamesdicksonbooks.co.uk. I found in editing the NP edition that the Armoury edition was not perfect; typos, word, even a sentence missing here and there. Not to tote my horn but the NP edition for EPC is the one to have. The Latin is translated (the Latin if not extensive is certainly prevalent) and the expanded footnotes and bibliography are useful.


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    Originally posted by NaphtaliPress
    Jeff,
    That may be a photocopy from the Armoury edition of G's Works. I'd keep an eye out for the SWRB reprint to get most of the works (they intentionally left out Aaron's Rod because Sprinkle had it in print, and unintentionally left out Assertion of the Government--poor choices/mistakes IMO). You can get the anonymous works for free in PDF at the Naphtali Press site. I saw a use copy of the NP EPC for sale by James Dickson books last week. 25 GBP so maybe about 50 USD plus shipping. Not sure if still available but you might check info@jamesdicksonbooks.co.uk. I found in editing the NP edition that the Armoury edition was no perfect; typos, word, even a sentence missing here and there. Not to tote my horn but the NP edition for EPC is the one to have. The Latin is translated (the Latin if not extensive is certainly prevalent) and the expanded footnotes and bibliography are useful.
    I'll toot Chris' horn for him. The NP edition is excellent. The paper quality is superb, the binding is excellent and sturdy, in addition to the good editing.

    I have found SWRB books to be of inferior quality, and as I have said before, I refuse to subsidize their schismatic philosophy. (I speak for myself, and not Chris or NP in any way.)
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    Originally posted by fredtgreco
    I have found SWRB books to be of inferior quality, and as I have said before, I refuse to subsidize their schismatic philosophy. (I speak for myself, and not Chris or NP in any way.)
    Well, I hear that; I have only bought from SWRB a few times since the mid 1990s when they were the only reasonable source for something I just had to have for research.
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    Thanks again guys.

    I e-mailed James to see if he had the NP copy.

    Appreciate all the help.
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    Originally posted by NaphtaliPress
    Originally posted by fredtgreco
    I have found SWRB books to be of inferior quality, and as I have said before, I refuse to subsidize their schismatic philosophy. (I speak for myself, and not Chris or NP in any way.)
    Well, I hear that; I have only bought from SWRB a few times since the mid 1990s when they were the only reasonable source for something I just had to have for research.
    All the more reason for somebody really rich to subsize you to republish more!!
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    Originally posted by fredtgreco
    Originally posted by NaphtaliPress
    Originally posted by fredtgreco
    I have found SWRB books to be of inferior quality, and as I have said before, I refuse to subsidize their schismatic philosophy. (I speak for myself, and not Chris or NP in any way.)
    Well, I hear that; I have only bought from SWRB a few times since the mid 1990s when they were the only reasonable source for something I just had to have for research.
    All the more reason for somebody really rich to subsize you to republish more!!
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    I could live with that. Actually I have often wondered if maybe the way to go about some of these projects is to start something like "The Samuel Rutherford Society"; a non profit thing with memberships, then do some really high production value editions of his and then others' works.
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