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Originally Posted by armourbearer  Sorry Prof. Clark, I hadn't seen your post when I wrote mine. I was responding to an earlier statement about an English translation being a pure text. Hence my reference to ad fontes. Sorry for any confusion. Quote:
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Originally Posted by armourbearer Wouldn't Tholuck's Latin edition be the pure text? Ad fontes. For English translations, the 1561 (authorised) version must have some claim on the purists. Nevertheless, I would say Beveridge is best for reliability and Battles for readability and scholarly notes. | Well, Tholuck's is easier to use but I don't know why a 19th century critical text is more ad fontes than an early 20th century criticial text. The OS has line numbers and that's the edn that most scholars cite most frequently for the '59 Latin text.
If one wants to go ad fontes then one wants to use one of the 16th century editions. I'm not sure it's worth the effort, but Muller argues in his 2000 Calvin volume (a must read) that this is the way Calvin scholars should read Calvin. For most of us that means rolling through microfiche or print outs from fiche readers and the like.
rsc | | Got it.
Misunderstood.
Sorry.
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Originally Posted by greenbaggins | I was feeling a bad case of Calvin-envy with my old Beveridge until greenbaggins posted the Muller quote. 
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I will not get my feelings hurt here (BOO-HOO).....I posted a question (but it got drowned by other post) about a newer edition/translation published around 95? maybe earlier no later I do not know Publisher or anything. I just heard it was very good! 
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Originally Posted by Sebastian Heck | It is a fantastic resource and I use it all the time, but it's only designed for PCs and not Macs - so to use the search engine, I have to use my old ThinkPad. I've asked Herman to see if they can produce a Mac version.
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Originally Posted by etexas I will not get my feelings hurt here (BOO-HOO).....I posted a question (but it got drowned by other post) about a newer edition/translation published around 95? maybe earlier no later I do not know Publisher or anything. I just heard it was very good! | Are you saying that there was a translation published in 1995 other than the Battles or Beveridge editions?
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Quote:
Originally Posted by etexas I will not get my feelings hurt here (BOO-HOO).....I posted a question (but it got drowned by other post) about a newer edition/translation published around 95? maybe earlier no later I do not know Publisher or anything. I just heard it was very good! | Are you saying that there was a translation published in 1995 other than the Battles or Beveridge editions?
rsc | Frankly I am not sure, remember I am a recovering Anglican and am just starting to get into all this!), as far as I know, it could be one of the 2 you mention that may have been updated in the time frame I gave....  |
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark I've asked Herman to see if they can produce a Mac version.
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Originally Posted by Dieter Schneider You may also like my blog on Calvin, et al. If you are keen you ought to get the 1536 edition; do not forget Battles' excellent analysis. Best wishes. | Thanks for the link. What do you mean by the 1536 edition? A copy in the original Latin? | The 1536 edition (see for purchase of English translation) was Calvin's first one - written in Latin; the 1559 edition was his definite one (1559 ed. is fully developed, but not substantially different - generally speaking, that is). Ford Lewis Battle's I would have thought is a must!
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FWIW, I don't think there have been any new editions of the Institutes published. The Battles edn was reprinted with a new cover some time back. The Beveridge edn comes out sporadically in reprint. I think that's it.
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Originally Posted by R. Scott Clark Quote:
Originally Posted by etexas I will not get my feelings hurt here (BOO-HOO).....I posted a question (but it got drowned by other post) about a newer edition/translation published around 95? maybe earlier no later I do not know Publisher or anything. I just heard it was very good! | Are you saying that there was a translation published in 1995 other than the Battles or Beveridge editions?
rsc | Frankly I am not sure, remember I am a recovering Anglican and am just starting to get into all this!), as far as I know, it could be one of the 2 you mention that may have been updated in the time frame I gave.... | |
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Did some digging....the edition I was talking about is NOT a "full" Institutes my bad. So, for my first set of IOCR is the Battle edition pretty easy to read?  |
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For those of us who don't mind reading on the computer screen, the VERY inexpensive Calvin Collection by Ages contains BOTH translations by Beveridge AND Battles (as well as practically everything else).
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Originally Posted by etexas Did some digging....the edition I was talking about is NOT a "full" Institutes my bad. So, for my first set of IOCR is the Battle edition pretty easy to read? | Yes.  |
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Placed my Amazon order last night for the Battle Edition!  |
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UPDATE: I have had a little chance to get into the IOCR Battle Edition, BUT, it is easy to read without being "Cotton Patch Version" and I truly enjoy t, thank you to all who recommended this Edition! By the Bye, David started this Thread and is keeping us in suspense, which edition did you choose Mr. Pell? |
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| | . Wonderful version. Good, old translation, both volumes in one, AND with original page numbers (see the summary for the details). I love it!
Oh, after I wrote this I saw that there is no summary there aside from the customer reviews. Well, please read those, they are a great help, but what I was referring to with the pages is that the page numbers of both parts are the same as the original edition. When part 1 ends, part 2 begins as a page 1. Just a little thing, but it helps when reading other writers' references to IOTCR.
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Originally Posted by etexas UPDATE: I have had a little chance to get into the IOCR Battle Edition, BUT, it is easy to read without being "Cotton Patch Version" and I truly enjoy t, thank you to all who recommended this Edition! By the Bye, David started this Thread and is keeping us in suspense, which edition did you choose Mr. Pell? | I didn't actually buy one yet. I was asking for future reference (when I have the $$ to purchase and time to read such a tome).
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