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I am trying to find the lecture Dr. Bahnsen gave on Calvin's Institutes where he expresses his view on the lawfulness of art depicting Christ. I've been told its in the audio lectures on Calvin but nothing more specific. If anyone knows please PM me. Thanks very much.
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*bump* please?
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maybe the section on calvin on the ten commandments?
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I would like to hear this when you find it. I agree wholeheartedly that you cannot, under any pretense, create images of the Trinity.
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Thanks Jacob, that I suppose would narrow it down to Bahnsen's lecture, on Book 2 chapter 8-10, which looks like #33. I'll spring for the $1.99 in the AM and see if that is it.
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Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian  I would like to hear this when you find it. I agree wholeheartedly that you cannot, under any pretense, create images of the Trinity. | 
Right. We cannot, because we haven't a clue how to rightly depict God; and we may not, because God has so commanded.
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Originally Posted by NaphtaliPress I am trying to find the lecture Dr. Bahnsen gave on Calvin's Institutes where he expresses his view on the lawfulness of art depicting Christ. I've been told its in the audio lectures on Calvin but nothing more specific. If anyone knows please PM me. Thanks very much. | I find Greg Bahnsen's reasoning on this highly strange for one who was usually so precise; bit like his arguments against EP.
But, at the end of the day, the best of men are men at best.
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Originally Posted by Backwoods Presbyterian I would like to hear this when you find it. I agree wholeheartedly that you cannot, under any pretense, create images of the Trinity. |
Right. We cannot, because we haven't a clue how to rightly depict God; and we may not, because God has so commanded. |  |
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Daniel,
Do you recall hearing the lecture in question? Dr. Gentry told me it is essentially the argument he makes (he learned it from Dr. Bahnsen under his teaching). Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Quote:
Originally Posted by NaphtaliPress I am trying to find the lecture Dr. Bahnsen gave on Calvin's Institutes where he expresses his view on the lawfulness of art depicting Christ. I've been told its in the audio lectures on Calvin but nothing more specific. If anyone knows please PM me. Thanks very much. | I find Greg Bahnsen's reasoning on this highly strange for one who was usually so precise; bit like his arguments against EP.
But, at the end of the day, the best of men are men at best. |
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Originally Posted by NaphtaliPress Daniel,
Do you recall hearing the lecture in question? Dr. Gentry told me it is essentially the argument he makes (he learned it from Dr. Bahnsen under his teaching). Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Quote:
Originally Posted by NaphtaliPress I am trying to find the lecture Dr. Bahnsen gave on Calvin's Institutes where he expresses his view on the lawfulness of art depicting Christ. I've been told its in the audio lectures on Calvin but nothing more specific. If anyone knows please PM me. Thanks very much. | I find Greg Bahnsen's reasoning on this highly strange for one who was usually so precise; bit like his arguments against EP.
But, at the end of the day, the best of men are men at best. | | Sorry Chris, I only remember hearing a summary of the argument from someone else. I have not got many of his lectures at present. 
You could check the CMF articles to see if there is anything there.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie Quote:
Originally Posted by NaphtaliPress Daniel,
Do you recall hearing the lecture in question? Dr. Gentry told me it is essentially the argument he makes (he learned it from Dr. Bahnsen under his teaching). Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie
I find Greg Bahnsen's reasoning on this highly strange for one who was usually so precise; bit like his arguments against EP.
But, at the end of the day, the best of men are men at best.
| | Sorry Chris, I only remember hearing a summary of the argument from someone else. I have not got many of his lectures at present.
You could check the CMF articles to see if there is anything there. | No problem; thanks. I have googled the issue to death and have concluded both Gentry's and Bahnsen's material on this is only on audio. Someone posted a transcription of Gentry's argument on PB; the source I've seen referenced has since disappeared. Gentry didn't know anything about the transcription.
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