Has anyone has seen or read this book? Per AOMIN, Gipp is a notorious, incredible KJV Onlyist with a Doctorate he bought from a now-defunct diploma mill.

2006 Geneva Bible - The Trojan Horse

Description
The author states:

Recently a Bible has been promoted as the "1599 Geneva Bible" when, in fact, it is not. Unsuspecting Bible believers may be deceived into thinking it is safe to read and study from the "Grandfather" of the King James Bible. it isn't.

From the back cover:
Bible believers know the history of their Bible and know that the Geneva Bible was one of the early English translations. It was in the line along with the Wycliff, Tyndale, Camner, Great and Bishops' Bibles which led to the most popular Bible of all time, the King James Bible.

Recently, a Bible has been promoted as the "1599 Geneva Bible" when, in fact, it is not. Unsuspecting Bible believers may be deceived into thinking it is safe to read and study from the "Grandfather" of the King James Bible. It isn't.


I'm curious (but not enough to waste money on the book) what the author's argument is that the Tolle Lege 1599 Geneva Bible is not a faithful or legitimate reproduction of the original. I know there were many versions printed of the Geneva Bible, so I guess Gipp found a copy titled "1599 Geneva Bible" with variations from the Tolle Lege publicaton.

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SW
Church of the Highlands, San Francisco, CA

That's funny because I've heard James White's opponents make the same kinds of accusations about his academic credentials.

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Davidius
Husband of Emily
Member of All Saints Anglican Church - Chapel Hill (AMiA / Anglican Church of North America)
Student: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, German and Classics

While I am a KJV and recieved text man, I would take anything from Sam Gipp with a grain of salt. He is a KJV only man after the Ruckman stripe.

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Psa 55:16 As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
Psa 55:17 Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
James Farley
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
Members of Redeemer Church ARP, Blacksburg Va.
http://www.redeemerblacksburg.org/

Gipp is an outspoken supporter of Peter Ruckman, Gail "God And" Riplinger, and Jack Hyles, who taught that reading other translations than the KJV will send you to hell.

Gipp isn't worth mentioning in the company of Theodore Letis and Edward Hills who - though I'm not a TR advocate yet - make far more convincing, reasonable, and well-thought out arguments.

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Johnathan Tate
Cornerstone Presbyterian Church (OPC), Arden, NC

Husband of one, father of 3 (1 in-utero); Time's "Man of the Year" 2006

There are good and wise men on the PB who defend the TR VERY well without going into Riplinger type stuff, if you want to read some of the reasons I prefer the read Edward Hills, Phi Beta Kappa Degrees from 3? Ivy's! He was a smart Cat. (For the PB, ask Matthew Winzer or Jerusalem Blade.) They have answered a LOT of question on this issue for me.

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Indeed! I can only imagine Rev. Winzer and Mr. Rafalsky have all the tougher time because of the (wrongful) association with Ruckmanism.

Incidentally, Gipp, Ruckman, and Riplinger are also notoriously anti-Calvinist, like when Riplinger called the Five Points a "satanic pentagram." Ruckman's anti-Calvinist lackey Larry Vance has made a name for himself showing the "Other Side" of Calvinism. The notes alone would probably give these folks a stroke, to say nothing of good Reformed men like the above and Edward Hills.

Not to mention that the 1599 Geneva is great!

I like this line from the link -

"Strange things happened when the Geneva Bible translators came to "Son of God" and "Son of man.""

Strange things indeed!

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Timothy Johnson
First United Presbyterian of Moline
PCUSA (Yea, I know)
Theology/Philosophy Sunday School Teacher
Davenport, IA

Are they involved with in-depth scholarship like this?:



I LOVE the cover! (Yes, I am indeed a sinister Calvinist! Mwahahaha!)

And the subtitle too! "The Calvinist Caste System" - if that's the way we're going, I'm calling myself a Brahman!

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Kevin, husband of a truly angelic woman, and father to ten.
Zion United Reformed Church of Sheffield
Ontario, Canada

Oh man, it has been a long time since I have seen this. No matter how many times though, I always have to laugh. What is going on in that picture anyway?

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Aaron
Coram Deo Fellowship (CBA)
Portland, OR

We must pray that God would give us sorrow over dishonoring Him so.

"Bible study is never complete until it results in worship." -Lee Fields

That's the new five man boy band known as the "Five Points." It's made up of me, Etexas, Theognome, Skyler, and Zenas. We're not too big in the states, but right now Martin Marsh has us lined up for a European tour, starting in Denmark of course.

If such a thing existed, it would truly be the dark side of Calvinism.

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Tim Phillips
Pastor, Midlane Park Presbyterian Church (ARP)
Louisville, KY
Husband of Scottish Lass
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"Wherever the gospel is preached, it is as if God Himself came into the midst of us." ~ John Calvin

Hey why did I not get to join the band

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Martin - Reformed
Husband to the most godly, honorable and loyal wife Line
Searching for a Church
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Free Online Reformed Seminary - http://www.tnars.net
Soli Deo Gloria

I've heard the pipes! Besides, you get to be the manager!

Okay I want 30% plus free food and bored + whatever extra stuff there might be

You got it, but you know that includes a free copy of Gail Riplinger's book, right?

Who is that?

See posts 4 and following.

Larry Vance's book is a little more mundane -



I like the "dark side" better. Does that mean we're closet Sith? Is there really a difference between a boy band and the Sith? Could I call myself Darth Machen?

That's just a picture of the crowds on the European tour. What can I say? Martin knows how to bring them in.

It is my charismatic skills, I have that kind of face

Don't worry, there'll be plenty of that to go 'round...

Yer, Sir, I'm looking forward to the tour. We've got some great covers, and I'm packin' my harp! Here's one of our greatest hits-

Sung to the tune of Soul Man by The Blues Brothers

Reformed Man

Goin' tulip from a bearded dude,
God lovin an I ain't no prude,
And when you hear what the Bible say,
You'd best start to follow the Way

I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man

Got what I got the right way
Christ did it all and He done chose me to stay
So honey dont you fret
He already got it set

I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
Play it Max!
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man

Listen
I was born dead from Adam's seed
I lived in sin and it sent Christ to bleed
I was saved from my unholy stock
Now I'm forever one of His flock

I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man

He'll grab your soul and then pull you in
Give you hope and cleanse you from all your sin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
Youre reformed man
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man
I'm Reformed man



Theognome

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Bill Cunningham
Covenant Reformed Church, URC
Kansas City
There are three kinds of people- those who can count, and those who can't.

What do you mean, if? Anna and Toni have been linking pirated copies of your CDs on the women's forum for us to laugh at and download illegally.


Yeah. Definitely the best song on the first CD.
But what I really liked was "Every TULIP Has its Points." (I think it's on the third CD--it's hard to tell, when I just illegally download them.)

We all lied totally depraved
In the dead of the night
Although we all looked never been better
We were miles apart from saved

Was it something I said or something I did
that showed I was enslaved to sin?
Though I tried not to hurt you
Though I tried
But I guess that's totally depraved

Chorus:
Every TULIP has its points
Just like every chapter has its verse
Just like every pew-boy sings his loud, loud Psalm
Every TULIP has its points

Yeah it does

I listen to our favorite Psalm
Prepping on the pitchpipe
Hear the Elder say a prayer of please come, and
invokes
So I think, must be elected.
Has he ever felt God's grace?
Cause I know that he's only saved right now
If God could have let him know somehow
I guess

Every TULIP has its points
Just like every chapter has its verse
Just like every pew-boy sings his loud, loud Psalm
Every TULIP has its points

Though it was for the elect's sake,
Christ allowed to feel so much pain
A true sacrifice that takes the death sin deals
Sovereignty, Sovereignty remains


Solo (Marrow Man)

I know God did save a man that night
Knowing me I'd have run away.
But instead of denying His love
I fell for that irresistible grace



But now I hear you also found eternal security
And sin never meant that much to you
To see the perseverance of the Saints
And to hear you pray makes me so light
I guess

Every TULIP has its points
Just like every chapter has its verse
Just like every pew-boy sings his loud, loud Psalm
Every TULIP has its points

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Shalom,
jessi
PCA
Steelers fan exiled to Virginia


“Whatever your heart clings to and confides in, that is really your God.”
Martin Luther

Well done, Jessi! I'm out of thanks, but you have a future in parodies. I'm glad to have you as one of our writers. Yes, that means you go on the tour, too!

Martin! Make sure we've got extra sushi!

Theognome

Jessi, that was so funny I completely overlooked the fact that you linked the Five Points to a song by Poison.

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Anna
Wife of Tim/Marrow Man
Louisville, KY
Member of Midlane Park Presbyterian (Associate Reformed Presbyterian)

Hahaha...thanks guys!!
I can only go on tour if my family can come, obviously. And you employ my husband, he'll take cowbell. My son can play the triangle.
Otherwise, I'll have to email songs over the internets--they have those now in Europe...did you know?

BTW, Martin, please send a free copy of our latest CD to E Nomine with our apologies for completely hijacking his thread...

But in all honesty, isn't this more entertaining that listening to Samuel Gipp?

Seriously, Gipp was on the John Ankerberg show way back when (so long ago that James White had hair!) and someone (Ankerberg I think) asked him if he believed that for a person in Russia to be able to read the word of God, that person would need to first learn English and then read the KJV. Gipp thought about it for a second or two, and then said, "Yes."

Yeah, he got Gipped in this thread.

Theognome

but a band was introduced to the rest of the PB--WORTH it!

This thread got totally highjacked.

And when we're on stage, we wear wigs and Puritan-era outfits. Only Marrow Man's is powdered though.

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Jonathan
Audio Engineer
Reformed Anabaptist
Ohio

Moroni's magical glasses of proper interpretation:

Where's the Federal air marshal to get this thread back under control from the hijackers?

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Andrew DeShazo
Husband of Kathryn
Father of Phillip-Giles B. DeShazo
Deacon
Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, Memphis, TN
"From out of the depth of unbroken Infinfity arose the Question, "Who am I?" And to that Question there is the answer, "I am God!" -Meher Baba, died 1969.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Christ, died 33 AD, ressurected three days later.

Since I am the primary hijacker, and since it is the Lord's Day, let's try to steer this thread back on track. I tried to "re-rail" it back in #27. If we are going to comment on this thread today, let's make sure it has to do with Samuel Gipp and his views on the 2006 Geneva Bible. I'm guessing no one has anything more to offer. I, for one, would be interested in seeing exactly what this "Trojan Horse" is.