I have been listening to John Frame's apologetics lectures lately (I downloaded them from itunes to my ipod and listen when I run) and I find that I really kinda like them.

He is always mentioning his book(s) called "Doctrine of the Knowledge of God." Is this a systematic theology or something else? Has anyone read parts of it? Worth it?

Thanks

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Daniel Franzen
Church Creek Presbyterian (PCA)
Charleston, SC

Daniel,

I read DKG last summer when I took a DMin course under Frame at RTS-Orlando. That book is a good primer on Frame's tri-perspectivalism as I recall. Frame's Apologetics to the Glory of God is one I recommend.

-Paul

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Paul Bankson
Teaching Elder, PCA
Warner Robins, GA
www.houstonlakepres.org
www.paulbankson.com

Daniel,

I read DKG last summer - but on my own, not under the man himself! It's a book on epistemology, and very helpful in his approach to presuppositional philosophy. He's a Van Til student - which is good in my estimation. It's a helpful introduction, and depending on your grip of philosophy prior to reading, an easy or harder read. For those not versed in philosophy, while Frame explains his terms well, the concepts will be new to work with. It's definitely not a Systematic. If you're listening to his lectures, you'll get enough feel for the book to do well in reading it. The lectures follow the book closely, and are supplementally helpful to each other. I liked the book, though at times I still found myself with questions on issues going deeper than his book. But that was last summer, so I may be off in my assessment.

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Jacob
Sovereign Grace Ministries
Covenant Fellowship Church
West Chester, PA

"Grace renews nature; glory perfects grace." ~ John Owen
Blog - The Strasbourg Inn

Frame's sys theo, Theology of Lordship, includes the following . . .

The Doctrine of the Knowledge of God, 1987 ISBN 0-87552-262-9
The Doctrine of God, 2002 ISBN 0-87552-263-7
The Doctrine of the Christian Life, 2008 ISBN-13: 9780875527963; available online
The Doctrine of the Word of God, forthcoming

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Jacob
Sovereign Grace Ministries
Covenant Fellowship Church
West Chester, PA

"Grace renews nature; glory perfects grace." ~ John Owen
Blog - The Strasbourg Inn

Thanks for the info gents.

Do any of you have reservations about Frame's philisophic or apologetic teachings?

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Daniel Franzen
Church Creek Presbyterian (PCA)
Charleston, SC

Nope

I don't. I have never spoken with a more gracious man. Highly accessible.

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~ Steven Bradford ~
Member Covenant Presbyterian, Chattanooga, TN

Thanks. Yeah, I've gotten through 21 lectures (out of 36), and I just really like listening to the guy. He seems very humble and gracious.

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Daniel Franzen
Church Creek Presbyterian (PCA)
Charleston, SC

DKG is a good book in many ways, especially in its exposition of the covenantal framework of knowledge and the tools of logic; but it is extremely poor and contrary to the reformed doctrine of revelation in its adherence to theology as application. This relativises the meaning of Scripture to personal usefulness. The book also makes historical theology somewhat meaningless. I say nothing of its perspectivalism because the author has failed to make himself clear as to what bearing the situational perspective has on the authority of Scripture.

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Yours sincerely,


"Illum oportet crescere me autem minui."

Rev. Winzer,

What does this mean?

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Daniel Franzen
Church Creek Presbyterian (PCA)
Charleston, SC

DKG moves away from the traditional distinction between interpretation and application by denying the objective meaning in the text distinct from what is applicable to meeting human needs. See especially the way in which the author deals with the eighth commandment, and merges the "meaning" of translation, interpretation, formulation and application into "application" -- the use of Scripture to meet some human need.

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Yours sincerely,


"Illum oportet crescere me autem minui."