The "Founding Fathers" of the United States

biblelighthouse · #1 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 05:03 PM

I just came across this cool quote:

"If we call the American Statesman of the 18th century the Founding Fathers of the United States, Then the Pilgrims and Puritans were the grandfathers and Calvin the great grandfather. In saying this one need not exclude the Virginians because Anglicanism has essentially Calvinistic foundations still recognisable in the 39 articles, and the Pilgrim Fathers, like the Puritans generally, represented a kind of Reformed Anglicanism. Though fashionable 18th century deism may have pervaded some intellectual circles, the prevailing spirit of America before and after the War for Independence was essentially Calvinistic in both its brighter and uglier aspects."

- Erik Von Kuehhalt-Leddihn

WrittenFromUtopia · #2 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 05:05 PM

Indeed. It is important to note that America's government was meant to be, essentially, Presbyterian.

biblelighthouse · #3 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 05:06 PM

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Indeed. It is important to note that America's government was meant to be, essentially, Presbyterian.

Very good point!

Ivanhoe · #4 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 06:16 PM

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Indeed. It is important to note that America's government was meant to be, essentially, Presbyterian.

England referred to the First War for American Independence as "a Presbyterian Rebellion."

WrittenFromUtopia · #5 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 06:20 PM

Awesome.

Poimen · #6 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 06:26 PM

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Originally posted by biblelighthouse

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Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Indeed. It is important to note that America's government was meant to be, essentially, Presbyterian.

Very good point!

So what is it now? Roman Catholic? Congregationalist? Erastian?

VirginiaHuguenot · #7 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Indeed. It is important to note that America's government was meant to be, essentially, Presbyterian.

This is well-documented in a good book by E.C. Wines called The Roots of the American Republic.

Puritanhead · #8 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by biblelighthouse
I just came across this cool quote:

"If we call the American Statesman of the 18th century the Founding Fathers of the United States, Then the Pilgrims and Puritans were the grandfathers and Calvin the great grandfather. In saying this one need not exclude the Virginians because Anglicanism has essentially Calvinistic foundations still recognisable in the 39 articles, and the Pilgrim Fathers, like the Puritans generally, represented a kind of Reformed Anglicanism. Though fashionable 18th century deism may have pervaded some intellectual circles, the prevailing spirit of America before and after the War for Independence was essentially Calvinistic in both its brighter and uglier aspects."
-- Erik Von Kuehhalt-Leddihn

Coming from a European Roman Catholic -- that's a pretty bold statement.

Ivanhoe · #9 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by biblelighthouse

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Originally posted by WrittenFromUtopia
Indeed. It is important to note that America's government was meant to be, essentially, Presbyterian.

Very good point!

So what is it now? Roman Catholic? Congregationalist? Erastian?

Molech-worship. Molech worship is simply worship of the King (ie, State). We are beginning to see first hand the Religion of Totalitarianism. RJ Rushdoony prophecied this in the sixties and seventies.

It is up to a few gutsy, Covenantal Southern Agrarians to stem the tide and start taking our country back!

Puritanhead · #10 (**permalink**) 09-20-2005, 07:55 PM

Me thinks you guys are blurring the civil and ecclesiastical when you say **our goverment** was intended to be Presbyterian. The American founding was a vibrant interplay of factors, and the covenant origins of the American polity was definitely a big part of the equation. There were other influences -- distinctly American and European as well.