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06-21-2008, 05:44 PM
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Here is an interesting article I cam across. You can guess why it caught my eye: Best-Cities-to-Live,-Work-and-Play: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance
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06-21-2008, 06:48 PM
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I would stay away from Provo. Too many Mormons.
The nick name in Utah for Provo is "Happy Valley", everyones on Prozac.
We had a mission work in Provo for a few years, but had to close it.
There are fewer Christians in Provo Utah then anywhere else in the U.S.
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06-21-2008, 07:12 PM
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Curious that Houston is the only large city (by American standards) on the list. Here in Australia it tends to be the larger cities (Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane) which come top in these kinds of surveys.
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06-21-2008, 07:35 PM
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You mean to tell me there are actually cities west of the Hudson River? And they are actually livable? Wow, who knew.....
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06-21-2008, 07:45 PM
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I read that article, and was amazed that Houston was number one. I have to think it had more to do with the financial reasons than the city.
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06-21-2008, 07:46 PM
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Hey, some of us are still trying to process the whole "liveable cities in the Northern Hemisphere" concept.
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06-21-2008, 07:49 PM
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Curious that among the criteria they include "Percentage of Workforce in Creative Class". What benefits does that convey? More poets per square mile?
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06-21-2008, 07:51 PM
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Pittsburgh, PA is the highly underrated. This is a great place to live.
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06-21-2008, 07:53 PM
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It's also strange that every single one has a below average cost of living, does an average cost of living automaticaly mean that it is a bad place to live?
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06-21-2008, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fredtgreco | Houston happens to be one of the largest cities and the fastest growing city in the U.S. A few years ago a number of statistics indicated that much of the economic growth in the U.S. was in the south, particularly Texas.
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06-21-2008, 11:51 PM
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Pittsburgh, PA is the highly underrated. This is a great place to live.
| Pittsburgh is great! Especially the real estate market. I couldn't believe the price of homes in Pittsburgh.
Yins, got it good!
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06-22-2008, 12:19 AM
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Heh. Fred and my wife are both trying to get me to move to Houston.
Tacoma's not so bad. We have a pulp mill and gangs and bullets just like a real city, but it's only around 200,000 people. On the plus side, there is Commencement Bay and spectacular Mt. Rainier. Plus it's quiet and easy to drive in, not like that big Seattle to the north (in which I unfortunately work).
But I love Texas almost as much as I love Montana. My eyes bugged out when I saw what our modest rambler here could buy in Houston. Some of those $300k homes would pass for a million in our area.
The hard part about Houston is the "city" part. Alas, in my line of work you almost need some kind of city, but I sure miss the 1,500 acres I grew up on.
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06-22-2008, 12:25 AM
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This list is obviously some kind of satire. Sacremento is top ten????
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06-22-2008, 12:28 AM
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I wonder if Dallas would be in the top 20?
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06-22-2008, 12:36 AM
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I'm flabbergasted that Houston made that list, although I'll reluctantly acknowledge I've a nephew who lives there and seems tolerably pleased.
When I think of Houston I think of hideously high humidity, no zoning laws, and roaches the size of SUV's.
And traffic.
Austin's gotten so big and chock full of "foreigners" (non-Texans), it's completely changed the character of the city.
Plus the traffic is ghastly.
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06-22-2008, 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Gryphonette I'm flabbergasted that Houston made that list, although I'll reluctantly acknowledge I've a nephew who lives there and seems tolerably pleased.
When I think of Houston I think of hideously high humidity, no zoning laws, and roaches the size of SUV's.
And traffic.
Austin's gotten so big and chock full of "foreigners" (non-Texans), it's completely changed the character of the city.
Plus the traffic is ghastly.  | Yeah, but what about Ft. Worth?
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06-22-2008, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ivan Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryphonette I'm flabbergasted that Houston made that list, although I'll reluctantly acknowledge I've a nephew who lives there and seems tolerably pleased.
When I think of Houston I think of hideously high humidity, no zoning laws, and roaches the size of SUV's.
And traffic.
Austin's gotten so big and chock full of "foreigners" (non-Texans), it's completely changed the character of the city.
Plus the traffic is ghastly.  | Yeah, but what about Ft. Worth? | From what I remember, the traffic is ghastly, but the roaches are only about the size of an economy car, so's it's a tad more tolerable.
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06-22-2008, 04:08 AM
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Colorado Springs is #5 - woohoo!
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06-22-2008, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by CalvinandHodges Colorado Springs is #5 - woohoo! | I went to college in C-Springs. That it is in the top 5 invalidates the entire list, IMO...
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06-22-2008, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Brad Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivan Quote:
Originally Posted by Gryphonette I'm flabbergasted that Houston made that list, although I'll reluctantly acknowledge I've a nephew who lives there and seems tolerably pleased.
When I think of Houston I think of hideously high humidity, no zoning laws, and roaches the size of SUV's.
And traffic.
Austin's gotten so big and chock full of "foreigners" (non-Texans), it's completely changed the character of the city.
Plus the traffic is ghastly.  | Yeah, but what about Ft. Worth? | From what I remember, the traffic is ghastly, but the roaches are only about the size of an economy car, so's it's a tad more tolerable.  | Traffic wasn't a treat by no means and I suppose it's gotten worse since 1981. I used a pellet gun to bring down the roaches...kidding.
I loved my time in Ft. Worth, but my perspective is colored by being a seminary student the whole time, working full-time and going to school full-time, having our first daughter, fellowshipping with a wonderful group of Christians, etc. It was a wonderful time in our lives.
But these are wonderful times for my wife and I too.
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06-22-2008, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Tick I would stay away from Provo. Too many Mormons.
The nick name in Utah for Provo is "Happy Valley", everyones on Prozac.
We had a mission work in Provo for a few years, but had to close it.
There are fewer Christians in Provo Utah then anywhere else in the U.S. | Can any good thing come from Provo?!
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06-22-2008, 11:36 AM
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Interesting list. Having lived in NY and LA, I've grown to appreciate smaller cities. 'Course, according to recent "surveys," I'm living in one of the worst cities in America right now (high unemployment, housing market crash, Scott Peterson, etc.), but for us right now it's perfect.
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06-23-2008, 09:22 AM
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I am not surprised that Raleigh is number two. It truly is a wonderful area to "live, work, and play."
Having lived in a very high cost of living area in Philly and New York, the lower cost of living is certainly a plus in addition to the fantastic climate and the nice blend of metro but rural demographics. Raleigh has a best of all worlds flavor.
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