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C.P. --Attending Grace Community Baptist Church, Mandeville, LA

"Where is the young man who fears the judgment to come? What is the breath of an enemy of God to the blast of the soul by the breath of the Almighty? If you fear the frowns of a fellow worm, how will you stand in judgment with an angry God?" --Asahel Nettleton

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Another good analysis by Dr. Moore.

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Ivan Schoen, Pastor
Maranatha Baptist Church
Poplar Grove, Illinois USA
http://maranatha-sbc.org/
Husband to Nancy
Father to Sherril, Sarah, Kathryn
Grandfather to Phillip
Faith is the refusal to panic. Martyn Lloyd-Jones

Very good analysis.

Willow Creek anyone?

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Vaughan
BTh Student, Sydney Missionary Bible College
Naremburn Cammeray Anglican Church
Sydney, Australia
The Ransomed

Uh...no, thank you?

Not sure what you're referring to, but I have no use for Willow Creek. I live about an hour from Willow Creek and have absolutely zero desire to step foot on the property. I've known a few of their members. I suppose they are nice people, but very shallow.

I was just interested to see that McLaren was invited to speak at Willow Creek. I knew they were "seeker sensitive" etc., but I didn't know that it had gotten that far.

Now THAT is troubling!

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Dennis E. McFadden
Atherton Baptist Homes, CEO
First Baptist Church of Alhambra, Member, Transformation Ministries (CA)

It's not surprising to me that when a church is so weak in their theology that they become prey to such people. I fear that in the next ten years that we will see many evangelical churches become as liberal as the UCC.

I wouldn't drive an hour (or five minutes for that matter) to attend Willow Creek and I wouldn't walk across the street to listen to McLaren.

I wasn't surprised at all. Wasn't Bill Clinton invited to speak there once?

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Josh Hicks, Chloë's Daddy
Member of TRBC. My Blog
The Puritan Pub (Team Blog)
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Yes and T.D. Jakes, Rick Warren, and Jimmy Carter

Come on, guys!

I've been doing some reading. And if you just skip all of this Protestant scholasticism and theological hairsplitting, if you learn how to see the Bible as relational rather than doctrinal, if you can relish paradox and ambiguity as your friends, if you can get beyond boxing God in this tiny little world of confessional "legalism," then you too can be . . .

Missional, Evangelical, Post/Protestant, Liberal/Conservative, Mystical/Poetic, Biblical, Charismatic/Contemplative, Fundamentalist/Calvinist, Anabaptist/Anglican, Methodist, Catholic, Green, Incarnational, Depressed-yet-Hopeful, Emergent, AND Unfinished.



Having read Mr. McLaren's book, I would agree that he is unfinished . . . and WRONG! This is what you get when you take a B.A. and M.A., learning all of the techniques of post-modernist deconstructionist literary criticism, and try to apply them to the Bible and church history! Did Bill Hybels REALLY invite him to speak at Willow Creek? Yikes!

"Dan Kimball, another emerging church leader and pastor of Vintage Faith Church in Santa Cruz, Calif., is to be commended for saying at the same conference that it is wrong for Christians to focus so much on social justice that they neglect to speak about eternal life, Moore said."
"Dan Kimball's comments were courageous and correct," he said. "An evangelicalism without the Gospel is no advance for the church."


That this simple statement is called "courageous" is a measure of how far evangelicalism has fallen.

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Mark Van Der Molen
Immanuel URC
DeMotte, Indiana

Dan Kimball contacted me out of the blue a couple of months ago. I can only assume someone Googles his name and passes postings on to him. He was pretty clear in his email that his theology is rock-solid evangelical. He and Driscoll are two bright lights in an otherwise disgusting trend. Moore's comment appears to have referenced Kimball's willingness to speak out against a VERY popular movement.

I particularly liked the "Depressed-yet-Hopeful" description.

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Anne Ivy
Christ Chapel Bible Church
Fort Worth, Texas

Married to Don, mother of six, grandmother to an ever-increasing brood.

The Ivy Vine (my blog)

I ususally associate Kimball with McLaren. This makes me want to pay a little more attention to Kimball and see how he is different.

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Dan Pemberton
Member, First Baptist Church
San Luis Obispo, CA, soon to be in Vacaville, CA

In college studying to be an astronaut.