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    Excellent review of Living in God's Two Kingdoms: A Biblical Vision for Christianity and Culture, by David VanDrunen

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    I think the review alone does enough to explain what 2k is and is not, at least from a basic outline standpoint.

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    I read this a few days ago. I think it is posted somewhere else also. It seems to me that there is a lot not said in the blog post that others seem to being seeing behind the vail (so to speak). VanDrunen is being addressed and critiqued by better minds in my estimation. Here is a thread on the PB that links to Dr. Kloosterman's 7 reviews done so far. Ongoing review of Van Drunen's "Natural Law and the Two Kingdoms"

    You can find them all here. http://www.worldviewresourcesinterna...ms_review.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAS View Post
    Excellent review of Living in God's Two Kingdoms: A Biblical Vision for Christianity and Culture, by David VanDrunen

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    I think the review alone does enough to explain what 2k is and is not, at least from a basic outline standpoint.
    Thank you for posting the link.

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    Excellent review of Living in God's Two Kingdoms: A Biblical Vision for Christianity and Culture, by David VanDrunen

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    I think the review alone does enough to explain what 2k is and is not, at least from a basic outline standpoint.
    Thank you for posting the link.
    To provoke further debate I add a quote from:
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    The Kingdom of God and the Church

    From this [that all authority exercised within the church is Christ the King’s], however, it does not necessarily follow, that the visible church is the only outward expression of the invisible kingdom. Undoubtedly the kingship of God, as his recognized and applied supremacy, is intended to pervade and control the whole of human life in all its forms of existence. This the parable of the leaven plainly teaches. These various forms of human life have each their own sphere in which they work and embody themselves. There is a sphere of science, a sphere of art, a sphere of the family and of the state, a sphere of commerce and industry.
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    there is no will nor running by which we can prepare the way for our salvation, it is wholly of the Divine Mercy Jean Calvin Institutes II . V. 17

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    In the Kloosterman reviews I appreciated how he flushes out the historical figures in light of their terminology and how VanDrunnen seems to miss them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAS View Post
    Excellent review of Living in God's Two Kingdoms: A Biblical Vision for Christianity and Culture, by David VanDrunen

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    I think the review alone does enough to explain what 2k is and is not, at least from a basic outline standpoint.
    I note that Dr. Reynolds has his D. Min. from WSC, Dr. VanDrunen's current employer. What, in your opinion, makes this an excellent review?
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    It seems to me that there is a lot not said in the blog post that others seem to being seeing behind the vail (so to speak).
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    Could you clarify what exactly you mean here?

    I note that Dr. Reynolds has his D. Min. from WSC, Dr. VanDrunen's current employer. What, in your opinion, makes this an excellent review?
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    1. What is the relevance? Care to make clear what you may be implying? Or are you just stating the facts? Just asking.
    2. In my opinion, it is an excellent review because it is well written, clear, to the point, is a good example of what a review should look like, and it presents the position of the book with accuracy. Qualities that should be present regardless of the position one takes on a given issue. I happen to hold to the 2k position as presented by the review, and think that it is one of the better explanations of the position.

    I did not start the thread to attack non-2k adherents. I simply thought it was a review worth sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAS View Post
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    1. What is the relevance? Care to make clear what you may be implying? Or are you just stating the facts? Just asking.
    2. In my opinion, it is an excellent review because it is well written, clear, to the point, is a good example of what a review should look like, and it presents the position of the book with accuracy. Qualities that should be present regardless of the position one takes on a given issue. I happen to hold to the 2k position as presented by the review, and think that it is one of the better explanations of the position.

    I did not start the thread to attack non-2k adherents. I simply thought it was a review worth sharing.
    One of the obvious shortcomings of this review is the absence of any critique of either VanDrunen's thesis or the justification in support of that thesis. Surely there must be something to criticize in his presentation. Rather, we get the likes of this:

    VanDrunen approaches his subject like a skilled lawyer facing a jury squarely, all the while realizing that they come to the courtroom largely hostile to his case.

    This section is a tour de force of covenant theology, nicely parsed for popular consumption.
    How do we know, for example, whether VanDrunen's 2k position is in essential harmony with the 2k position of the 16th and 17th century Reformers? Did we learn anything in the review that we could not have gotten simply from reading the book?

    The author is obviously quite sympathetic with the (Klinean) 2k position. The review appears to simply reflect that agreement.
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