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02-19-2008, 02:41 PM
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| | | Maybe an "immature Christian" question (Serpent in Eden)
What is the correct belief on satan in the garden. Was he a true, slithering, talking serpent; or was he characteristically "like" a serpent?
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Originally Posted by A5pointer  | I hope so. 
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Originally Posted by A5pointer | I hope so. | LOL, chicken to jump in just like me 
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Anyone??? Bueller... Bueller... 
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Ok, here goes, Gen. 3.1 is very specific in saying the serpent, was a serpent, was a serpent. There is no reason to read anything else into it - of course, some do see Satan, but I would suggest this is probably Christian Mythology. The question in my mind is, what is the purpose of the story and how would the post-Egyptian (or later) generation have heard it - not how WE hear it. Genesis 1-3 is an interpretation of the early period, how would the early hearers have understood it - this is the question.
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Originally Posted by Sydnorphyn Ok, here goes, Gen. 3.1 is very specific in saying the serpent, was a serpent, was a serpent. There is no reason to read anything else into it - of course, some do see Satan, but I would suggest this is probably Christian Mythology. The question in my mind is, what is the purpose of the story and how would the post-Egyptian (or later) generation have heard it - not how WE hear it. Genesis 1-3 is an interpretation of the early period, how would the early hearers have understood it - this is the question.
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"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, [...]" Rev 20:2 (ESV)
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You can read Matthew Poole's Synopsis (Genesis 3) on the subject here.
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Originally Posted by Seb Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydnorphyn Ok, here goes, Gen. 3.1 is very specific in saying the serpent, was a serpent, was a serpent. There is no reason to read anything else into it - of course, some do see Satan, but I would suggest this is probably Christian Mythology. The question in my mind is, what is the purpose of the story and how would the post-Egyptian (or later) generation have heard it - not how WE hear it. Genesis 1-3 is an interpretation of the early period, how would the early hearers have understood it - this is the question.
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"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, [...]" Rev 20:2 (ESV) |  There really should be a "throwing the gloves off" smilie.
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Originally Posted by caoclan Quote:
Originally Posted by Seb Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydnorphyn Ok, here goes, Gen. 3.1 is very specific in saying the serpent, was a serpent, was a serpent. There is no reason to read anything else into it - of course, some do see Satan, but I would suggest this is probably Christian Mythology. The question in my mind is, what is the purpose of the story and how would the post-Egyptian (or later) generation have heard it - not how WE hear it. Genesis 1-3 is an interpretation of the early period, how would the early hearers have understood it - this is the question.
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"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, [...]" Rev 20:2 (ESV) | There really should be a "throwing the gloves off" smilie. | You troublemaker you
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Originally Posted by Seb Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydnorphyn Ok, here goes, Gen. 3.1 is very specific in saying the serpent, was a serpent, was a serpent. There is no reason to read anything else into it - of course, some do see Satan, but I would suggest this is probably Christian Mythology. The question in my mind is, what is the purpose of the story and how would the post-Egyptian (or later) generation have heard it - not how WE hear it. Genesis 1-3 is an interpretation of the early period, how would the early hearers have understood it - this is the question.
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"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, [...]" Rev 20:2 (ESV) | See Revelation 12 where John says, the one called... .By reading Genesis without recapitulating how would one read Genesis? It's like saying, Isaiah 52-53 is about Jesus before it's about Israel's suffering - either the nation or one from the nation. Peace
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Originally Posted by Seb Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydnorphyn Ok, here goes, Gen. 3.1 is very specific in saying the serpent, was a serpent, was a serpent. There is no reason to read anything else into it - of course, some do see Satan, but I would suggest this is probably Christian Mythology. The question in my mind is, what is the purpose of the story and how would the post-Egyptian (or later) generation have heard it - not how WE hear it. Genesis 1-3 is an interpretation of the early period, how would the early hearers have understood it - this is the question.
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"And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, [...]" Rev 20:2 (ESV) | There really should be a "throwing the gloves off" smilie. |
Or a referee smilie. No rabbit punches, no hitting below the belt, and a clean break when coldwell says break...
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Originally Posted by VirginiaHuguenot You can read Matthew Poole's Synopsis (Genesis 3) on the subject here. | After reading through some of this, I'm thinking there should be a "I'm in over my head" smilie. 
I'm back on the sidelines with my mouth shut.
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Slithering Serpent is Satan. When God pronounces his curses Gen 3:15, he says that Jesus will break thine head (geneva). In addition to the Revelation verses talked about above.
What a gauntlet by the way, no takers. Not even one person who wants to play devils advocate either.
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There was some excellent stuff in this recent thread: Six-Day Creation: Is it worth the battle?
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