I have for some time now, tried to avoid listening to my consience and have now come to an end.

I must leave the state church, since it is no such thing (church).

I am frightfull and sad for several reasons:

1: It is the church I have always been a member of since my conversion

2: Fellowship (preacing, teaching and worship) and disciplin is important, and eventhough the state church did not have the latter there was the first and I do not know where to go when I leave.

3: And last but not least, my non-membership of a church will atomatically disqualify me from being on this board, as written in the board rules.

But I must go were The Holy spirit, my consience - strengeth in the Word of God will have me go.

Your Brother in Christ
Martin Marsh

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Martin - Reformed
Husband to the most godly, honorable and loyal wife Line
Searching for a Church
Webpage www.5solas.dk
Free Online Reformed Seminary - http://www.tnars.net
Soli Deo Gloria

Praying for you Martin!

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Bob, elder, RBC Louisville. 1689 LBCF

"... Of such also, or of those who make a credible profession of being such, all those particular churches consist, which constitute our Lord's visible kingdom. ... Consequently, all the subjects of His government must have spiritual dispositions, , and yield spiritual obedience- obedience proceeding from an enlightened understanding, an awakened conscience, and a renewed heart."- Abraham Booth 1788

Martin,

My advice to you is not to resign as a member of your current church until you find another church to covenant with. The board will have no problem if you are actively seeking for a more Reformed friendly church. In other words, go ahead and start searching for a new church, but maintain your formal membership in your current church in the meantime.

Blessings!

Bill

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Bill Brown
Elder
Reformed Baptist
Maryland

Click to get: Board Rules -- Signature Requirements -- Suggestions?
Visit my BLOG Theology for the Rest of Us

Not everyone on this board is a member of a church some are still looking for a church. I think you have good reasons for leaving your church but if you decide to leave here too we all will miss you and Line. Blessings on your journey.

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sarah
WI
OPC
My Pastor's Sermons: Mark Jenkins...he's awesome!!!

Have you been unable to find a new church before you leave? What are the options now?

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Paul
No denomination, affiliated with FIEC
"Deliver me from worldly dispositions, for I am born from above and destined for glory" - Valley of Vision
"They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation" - Peter

I will pray for you in this transition. Doubly so because I understand it so well. I will be in a similar transition once I formally petition for membership at the church I am attending currently as I am switching denominations from SBC to PCA. I am not a moderator or one with authority here, my impression is that the board wants to 1) uphold the Biblical command to be a part of the church visible and in fellowship with other believers and 2) see that its people are under Biblical authority be in elders, congregations, sessions presbyteries etc.

Of course since my old church is baptist I may well be on her membership rolls into the next century.

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Robert K. "Kelly" Brumbelow
In Inquirer's class at Grace Presbyterian (PCA) Cedartown, GA
Cedartown, Georgia

Dear Lord and Father of mankind, Forgive our foolish ways;
Reclothe us in our rightful mind, In purer lives Thy service find,
In deeper reverence, praise. - John Greenleaf Whittier 1807-1892

Well as of right now there are not that many options, I was at the Washer conference a couple of weeks ago and talked to my baptist brothers there and they said comming to their church would make no difference to my current situation.
The rest here are JW, Mormons and Pentacostals and Catholics, so I am all out of options.

The group that hosted the Washer conference, who I meet with regularly are beginning to work at a church plant that will be overseen by Paul Washer.

As Denmark held the "international outgames" (gay olympics) in Copenhagen a week ago or there about, some of the local priest in hiarichy just under the bishops, which are the hightest Church office in Denmark, desided to bless the homosexuals with the blessing of the Church.
And it was the main event in the Media, both the blessing and the olympics in general.

I have always stated that when the church made a ritual blessing of homosexuals to go in the book of liturgi then I would leave, this they have not done, but this is just as bad and the ritual will come very soon, I have no freedom to stay in such a orginasation.

I will ofcourse seek for a new church with all my might, and very possibly I will have to help build/plant one, with my brothers if I want a place to call church.

May the Lord guide you, Martin. I know it is difficult.

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Tim Lindsay
member, Covenant Reformed Presbyterian Church, Halifax, NS, Canada
Living in Cape Town, South Africa
"under the Southern Cross, at the foot of Table Mountain, not far from the Cape of Good Hope"

Bless you for your stand and your decision to follow after the will of God.

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William Price
Attending Mills Road Baptist Church, Houston, Texas

http://www.commandmentsandjudgment.com

The Reformed Voice Radio Broadcast

LBCF 1689

I don't understand your statement...why would it not make a different to your current situation?

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Ivan R. Schoen, B.A., M.A., M.L.I.S.
Pastor of Maranatha Baptist Church (SBC)
Poplar Grove, IL, USA
http://maranatha-sbc.org

That's wonderful that you and others are planting a new church! Will it be Baptist? Anyway, this to me sounds like you're seeking a new church. It just needs to be official which sounds like it will be if Washer will be overseeing it. This very good news for the Danish people! My prayers are with you in building it from the ground up. Be encouraged tho as my church is very small yet strong in the Lord!

Here is a video from the International Mission Board of the Southern Baptist Convention:

International Mission Board :: Downloads

You might find this helpful. Perhaps there would be a way to contact the pastor in this video.

I do think its important to be a member of a local church even if its far from the Reformed ideal. If I lived where you were, personally, I would rather be a member of an orthodox pentecostal church where dicipline is done than to go very long without being under the care of a good local church (in case you can't tell I have been listening to lots of 9 marks now!)

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J. P. Grigoletti II * Lay-man * Église Réformée du Québec
Québec, Québec Canada * Member: Église Reformée St. Marc
http://Grigoletti.blogspot.com - blog
<<There are three things necessary for thee to know, that thou, enjoying this comfort, mayest live and die happily: the first, how great your sins and miseries are; the second, how thou may be delivered from all thy sins and miseries; the third, how thou shall express thy gratitude to God for such deliverance.>>

Networking opportunities might be found here:

France, Belgium, and Netherlands

:shudder: To receive a blessing these days you don't have to be a son, you just have to be gay; I wouldn't stay in that church. Unless they were obeying the Lord by blessing their enemies?

That will be an adventure! I'll pray for grace all round, as the most needful resource.

That is to say, they are of the opinion that the baptist church they are a member of, has many of the same problems as the state church, so it would not make a big difference to go there.

Praying for you Martin.

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Michael P Doyle
Waukesha WI
Member of http://www.cornerstone-pca.com/
Attending http://www.lampseminary.org/

Martin, I am praying for you and your family. I totally understand your situation as I was without a church until a few months ago. However, the PB admins were very kind and accepted me on this board because they understand the difficult context I live in. Europe has become a spiritually desolate land (thanks a lot mr. Schleiermacher and mr. Barth!).

But I also want to encourage you not to despair and to remember that our Lord promised He would take care of His flock: last March in my town I found a Baptist church that is much in line with MacArthur. Attending this church and having fellowship with brethren in Christ has been a real blessing. Hopefully, the Lord will provide the means to help Paul Washer plant a church in your area.

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Andrea
Presbyterian, attending Baptist church
Perugia, Italy
Owner: federiformata.it

"Quos et vocavit nos non solum ex Iudæis sed etiam ex gentibus" (Rom. 9.24)

Martin, I'll be praying for you - and for your nation and her people. Perhaps the Lord is leading you to begin a work, or to join the work that Heart Cry is starting.

Hang in there, brother.

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We shall not adjust our Bible to the age; but before we have done with it, by God's grace, we shall adjust the age to the Bible. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon

Lawrence Underwood, Jr.
Pastor - Providence Family Fellowship / Mobile, Alabama
1644/46 LBC
My Blog - Imprimis

Praying for you and your family, Martin.

There are Reformed believers from the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) who are involved in church planting in Germany (which is beside your country). One of them, Mr. Sebastian Heck, is a member of the Puritan Board. You might want to contact them here: Reformation2Germany.

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Albert, The Republic of the Philippines
Pasig United Covenant Reformed Church (a Reformed church plant)
United Covenant Reformed Churches in the Philippines (UCRCP)
Three Forms of Unity and Westminster Confession of Faith

Psalm 27:1a (AV) The LORD is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear?
“Perseverance is the badge of true saints. The Christian life is not a beginning only in the ways of God, but also a continuance in the same as long as life lasts.” -

Praying for you, Martyn and your family and little flock - and as Lawrence said, for Denmark and her people. God preserves His people - no matter how small the numbers. He preserves and adds according to His perfect will! Be steadfast and strengthened by the promises in God's unchanging, perfect word.

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Toni Cunningham, Wife of Bill (Theognome)
Parkwoods OPC, Overland Park KS

"Vice is a monster of so frightful mien, As, to be hated, needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace." ~ Alexander Pope

Perhaps it's time to found a reformed mission work in Denmark... Any takers?

Theognome

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Bill Cunningham
Covenant Reformed Church, URC
Kansas City
There are three kinds of people- those who can count, and those who can't.

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James Helbert, Wytheville, VA
Providence Reformed Presbyterian Church, RPCUS
TheBibleAlone.com / The Edinburgh Inn
"Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?” - Zechariah 3:2

Click to get: Board Rules -- Signature Requirements -- Suggestions?

Praying for you and your family and your fellow Danish believers, Martin.

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Norm
IA PCA

In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5

Martin: If no faithful Reformed church exists in Denmark, is it possible for you to join one in another country- the Netherlands? Scotland? Germany? Travel to worship with them as often as possible, at least a couple times a year, perhaps at communion time; maintain worship in your home on the intervening Lord's Days; pray for and invite other Reformed minded folk to meet with you until you have a nucleus from which to start a congregation, perhaps under the auspices of the denomination with which you've affiliated? My congregation in Boise actually has an English couple in London who are members. They own property here and are her a couple times each year for a month or so at a time. They are accountable to our elders, maintain regular contact, and may move here in the future. If they should find a faithful church they could join there, we’d encourage them to do so.

I certainly hope an exception is made for your continued participation on this board. Now, more than ever you need the fellowship of brothers and sisters here.

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Glenn Ferrell
Pastor, Sovereign Redeemer Presbyterian Church (OPC)
Boise, Idaho

http://sovereignredeemer.org

http://www.sermonaudio.com/source_de...formationidaho


Nec Tamen Consumebatur


The duty of magistrates...extends to both tables of the law, ... those laws are absurd which disregard the rights of God, and consult only for men. - Calvin, Institutes, IV:20:9

I certainly hope an exception is made for your continued participation on this board.



It sounds like Martin might qualify as a missionary to an area lacking an established church.

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Lynnie

PCA

Central NJ

Praying

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~ Charles Stephen Barribeau ~
Christ Presbyterian Church , OPC (They sing alot of Psalms!)
Original Westminster Standards (I need to study more...)
The Puritans were best! Also... I NEED TO READ MORE!!!
Philipians1:29(KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Janesville, Wisconsin (In the fellowship of Bob Vigneault and Matt+Megan Meisberger)

I see. I know that the Baptist Union of Denmark is BWA and WCC. But there has to be a Southern Baptist missionary near by, if not in Denmark than in a neighboring country. Southern Baptists are not part of the BWA or the WCC.

Martin, many of us have transitioned from one church to another. Generally you remain a member of the one you are leaving until you join a new one. It takes time to find another church sometimes, so I am sure the PB will understand your situation. The church plant sounds very exciting and a wonderful opportunity for you to help with!

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Janis
Christ Church ARP, NC
"Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved." Eph. 1:3-6 ESV

You are doing the right thing Brother Martin, leaving an organisation like that. Seek God diligently with all your might for a new Church and He will guide you. Trust in His providence and He will sustain you. He that keepeth Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps (Ps 121:4). I know this from experience as I have been in a similiar situation before. I will be keeping you and your family in my prayers.
BTW I don't think you should leave this board in the mean time as the fellowship here would do you good.

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Jacob Peters
Layman
URC
Toronto
Canada

He's not really leaving a church prematurely, nor is he actually remaining in one if he decides not to leave. In case some have forgotten the WCF does in fact state that there exist gatherings that are not churches at all, but rather synagogues of satan.

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Adam J. Myer
Slated for the Jan. 10th Chaplains Basic Officer Leadership Course
Estacada Christian Church
Sandy, Oregon

Soli Deo Gloria

Reamdant,

are you leaving your local church because the denomination is corrupt? or you leaving because your local church is corrupt?

If the denomination is apostate but the actual church you attend is fine, I don't think it's wrong that you go there.

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Lee Johnston
Church of Scotland (Presbyterian)
Paisley, Scotland
Ephesians 1:4-5
"In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will."

Both are not good, I could move to a church(building) further away, there might be a good priest somewhere.
But both the denomination and my local church is corrupt, my local "priest" is a woman.

Not only will I pray for you Martin, but I am also praying for the church you are leaving.

Again, we see the church (those called by our Lord's name) needing to turn from wicked ways.

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Brian Withnell
Deacon, OPC
Leesburg, Virginia

You cannot train for war in the midst of a battle. Prepare before the battle starts; if the battle is long and hard, you will wish you had.

Where in Denmark are you, Martin?

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Sebastian Heck
PCA & Selbständige Evangelisch-reformierte Kirche in Deutschland (Free Evangelical-Reformed Church of Germany)
Ph.D. student at Theological Universiteit Apeldoorn/Netherlands
Church Planting in Germany
Reformation2Germany

Near a town called Skive

Martin, ever heard of Den reformerte Menighed Is that liberal?
What do you do? Are you in the ministry at all?

Remembering you in prayer as you seek another fellowship, Martin.

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Richard
communicant member, FCoS
Perth, Scotland UK

His Name forever shall endure;
last like the sun it shall:
Men shall be blessed in Him,
and blessed all nations shall Him call (Ps. 72:17)

Let's plant a church. I feel called to missions in europe, but I can't get anyone to send me.

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Aaron Josh Wright
Deerbrook Baptist Church, Humble Tx
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary

I think that is the one with a woman namede Sabine as their pastor