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There are dozens of positive Biblical references relating to wine (I have an excel chart on another computer that details them). I think it's very important to view drinking as "unto the Lord," so as to have a proper motivation and as a hedge from abuse.
Thanks for finding some of the verses.
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Originally Posted by Kim G
Ps. 104:14-15: “You cause the grass to grow for the livestock and plants for man to cultivate, that he may bring forth food from the earth and wine to gladden the heart of man, oil to make his face shine and bread to strengthen man’s heart.”
Since the Bible says God causes the grass to grow...and wine to gladden the heart of man, does that mean therefore that anything alcoholic is ok to drink?
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Originally Posted by Kim G
Judges 9:13: “But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?’”
How does wine cheer God?
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Bob Howes
Framingham, MA
A reoccurring thought:
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
My uncle was in the Air Force in England/Ireland in the late 60's/early 70's. He said the Guinness there on tap came out in globs that would flop into your glass, not like the watered-down version we have in the states. I usually use Bass Ale for the half/half. I'll have to try it with the Harps. Thanks for the tip!
I was told using an ale makes it a dark and tan, or do I have this backwards?
You're right. A Black and Tan is what I've heard it called. I assumed half/half was the same, but, after thinking about it being called such, it makes sense you were speaking of something different. I look forward to trying it!
...by the way, what time is it?
1348, and yes Black and Tan not Dark and Tan
__________________ James N. Walling Center Grove Presbyterian Church (PCA) IL
Since the Bible says God causes the grass to grow...and wine to gladden the heart of man, does that mean therefore that anything alcoholic is ok to drink?
How does wine cheer God?
You'll have to ask someone more knowledgeable than myself to get an answer here. I know that strong drink is also mentioned in multiple positive/neutral contexts, which would, I assume, broaden the definition of which alcoholic drinks are acceptable.
I'm not so sure that the Bible makes much of a distinction between "alcoholic" and "non-alcoholic" drinks like we do, anyway. Does the presence of alcohol in a grape drink make it okay ("wine"), while the presence of alcohol in a corn drink or mixed drink make it unacceptable? God's prohibitions are for over-indulgence in alcoholic drinks, food, etc.
Judges 9:13: “But the vine said to them, ‘Shall I leave my wine that cheers God and men and go hold sway over the trees?’”
How does wine cheer God?
Because it cheers His children, maybe? If my daughter is partaking in something of which she thoroughly enjoys, and takes the time to thank me for it with childlike gratitude, that cheers me much.
Since the Bible says God causes the grass to grow...and wine to gladden the heart of man, does that mean therefore that anything alcoholic is ok to drink?
Not merely since, but due to the fact that alcohol, in and of itself, is not an evil. Thus, it could be classified as something that is indifferent. Now, that doesn't mean it's okay for everybody without exception, because some are prone to mastery thereby.
I don't know offhand where the verses are, but there are verses that talk about wine (and other alcoholic beverages?) being a gift from God to be enjoyed. Since its a gift from God, does this verse apply to the use of the gift?
Col 3:23 And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
Since the Bible says God causes the grass to grow...and wine to gladden the heart of man, does that mean therefore that anything alcoholic is ok to drink?
Not merely since, but due to the fact that alcohol, in and of itself, is not an evil. Thus, it could be classified as something that is indifferent. Now, that doesn't mean it's okay for everybody without exception, because some are prone to mastery thereby.
Since the Bible says God causes the grass to grow...and wine to gladden the heart of man, does that mean therefore that anything alcoholic is ok to drink?
Not merely since, but due to the fact that alcohol, in and of itself, is not an evil. Thus, it could be classified as something that is indifferent. Now, that doesn't mean it's okay for everybody without exception, because some are prone to mastery thereby.
That's what I meant to say.
Actually, you probably said it better; I just skip over posts sometimes.
Some people think that drinking alcohol is sin because they believe that the purpose of drinking alcohol is to get drunk. I have talked with those kinds of people before and when I said that a person's reason for drinking alcohol can be something other than just to get drunk, they can't believe it.
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Curt Hayashida
member, Community Bible Church (Non-denominational)
Vallejo, CA
I wrote a paper on Baptists and alcohol while in seminary. It has info on how Baptists used to consider alcohol perfectly fine, how the Temperance movement started, etc. You can read it here: http://www.brucesabin.com/alcohol.html
I know that strong drink is also mentioned in multiple positive/neutral contexts, which would, I assume, broaden the definition of which alcoholic drinks are acceptable.
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