How would you respond to this...

In Adam we all die naturally, but in Christ we don't come to life similarly.

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<Raj>
Church Planting/Community devolepment
U.P. North India

No other Name except Jesus (Acts 4:12)
http://groaningcreation.blog.com

Could you expand on that a little brother?

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James Farley, Wilderness Road Baptist Assembly.
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
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The life that we receive from Christ is described in scripture as "imputed" righteousness, not actual righteousness, which is, if I understand this correctly, why we still die physically. In other words, there is no metaphysical change in us when we become believers. We remain in this "body of death" and continue to outwardly waste away while at the same time being renewed in the inner man (sanctification). Yet, because we have been declared righteousness in Christ, although we still die natural deaths we will live forever with Christ and our bodies will eventually be resurrected and glorified.

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DAVIDIVS DOCTVS VTRIVSQVE LINGVAE
Husband of Emilia
Member: First Reformed Presbyterian Church of Durham (RPCNA) - Durham, NC
Currently in the process of transferring membership to an as-yet-undecided church in Chapel Hill
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Through the disobedience of Adam we all become sinner and die, with no choice and exception but when it come to Christ (the second Adam), He obeyed God fully but we don't become righteous and come to life without making a discison.

am I clear? sorry I have limited knowledge of English.

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<Raj>
Church Planting/Community devolepment
U.P. North India

No other Name except Jesus (Acts 4:12)
http://groaningcreation.blog.com

Oh, I see. Sorry if my first answer is irrelevant. I wasn't sure exactly what you meant, either.

Wouldn't the answer be that all are the physical seed of Adam and therefore all inherit the sinful guilty nature while believers are the spiritual seed of Abraham by God's election, not natural birth?

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DAVIDIVS DOCTVS VTRIVSQVE LINGVAE
Husband of Emilia
Member: First Reformed Presbyterian Church of Durham (RPCNA) - Durham, NC
Currently in the process of transferring membership to an as-yet-undecided church in Chapel Hill
Student: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, German Literature and Classics

I am thinking of two heads (representative of humankind), two sons of God.

Adam=disobedience-sin and death (natural outcome)

Jesus= obedience- rightouness and life (with condition of repentance/faith and not natural outcome )

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<Raj>
Church Planting/Community devolepment
U.P. North India

No other Name except Jesus (Acts 4:12)
http://groaningcreation.blog.com

I tend to take Rom 5:18-19 literally. Just as much as Adam's sin was imputed to those whom He represented, Christ's righteousness is imputed to those whom He represents.

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Will Uminn
Bethel Baptist
Kalamazoo, MI

Partially correct. It is an alien Righteousness. But it depends what you mean by 'making a decision' that could be confusing

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N. Robert; Trinity Reformed Church RCA, Holland MI

Once in a while you can get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right."

Westminster Larger Catechism:
Question 31: With whom was the covenant of grace made?
Answer: The covenant of grace was made with Christ as the second Adam, and in him with all the elect as his seed.

As in Adam, ALL (that is, all humanity descending from him by ordinary generation, who thereby are in covenant with him) die; so, in Christ are ALL (who are in covenant with him) are made alive. 1 Cor. 15:22.

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ChainOLakes Presbyterian Church, CentralLake, MI


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It is the natural outcome to those who Christ imparts his work of regeneration. It is not conditional upon their repentance and faith, as regeneration precedes both, and repentance and faith are the fruits of regeneration. A decision will be made, but that decision is also a fruit of already being regenerate, not a cause or a condition of it.

Blessings!

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Charles Plauger
Member/Grace Reformed Church
Oakland, MD

I would respond that this statement is wrong.

The correct statement would be: All in Adam die, and all in Christ live.

John 3 sheds light on the similarities. We are physically born dead in Adam and Spiritually born again in Christ.

The difference is "all" as opposed to "many" (cf: Romans 5).

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--chRis
Psalm 115:1

Christopher Reeder
Husband to Kara, Father to Abigail (7), Caleb (6), Grace (4 1/2), Zoë (3), Elijah (1 1/2) and Hannah (born 8/8/2008)

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