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Browsing the ARP website I came across this peculiar section on approved and unapproved song books.
It mentions some that are approved that have caused a lot of controversy... such as the CRC Psalter Hymnal of 87 which caused lots of trouble (at least here in Grand Rapids).
But on the list of unapproved song books they mention the Book of Psalms for Singing that the RPCNA produces.
Does anyone know any ARPs that use this book?
Is this list followed or is it empty suggestions?
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We use two songbooks, one in the AM, one in the PM. We have a congregation which is composed of people partly from Presbyterian, partly Reformed backgrounds. We use the Trinity Hymnal in the evening; and in the morning, the older version of the CRC Psalter-Hymnal (pre-revision, so yes, these are getting tattered and worn).
My impression of the ARP page is that specific books were approved by their 2003 Synod, however, I do not get the impression from some of the descriptions (for example on the Trinity Psalter) that the "non-approved" list is a list of "books that may not be used." Merely that these were not on the list of denominationally sanctioned options.
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Originally Posted by nleshelman Which Psalter does your congregation use and why? | Our church uses the 1650 Scottish Metrical Psalter as found in The Scottish Psalmody or The Psalms of David in Metre.
Presbyterian Reformed Church Form of Government and Book of Discipline: Quote:
The Ordinances of Worship in a Particular Congregation
17. The ordinances in a single congregation are prayer, thanksgiving, and singing of Psalms, the word read (although there follow no immediate explication of what is read), the word expounded and applied, catechizing, the sacraments administered, collection made for the poor, dismissing the people with a blessing. In accordance with the simplicity and purity of worship provided for in the church's Basis of Union, the church's worship shall be without instrumental music, and only the Book of Psalms shall be used for singing in worship. The Authorized King James Version shall be the text used in the public reading of the word, and the Scottish Metrical Psalter the text for singing in worship.
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We use the Trinity Psalter, but we only sing out of it once a year, if that. I plan to suggest to our Session that we either use it more or gather them up and give them to a congregation that will actually use them.
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Originally Posted by nleshelman Which Psalter does your congregation use and why? | Our church uses the 1650 Scottish Metrical Psalter as found in The Scottish Psalmody or The Psalms of David in Metre.
Presbyterian Reformed Church Form of Government and Book of Discipline: Quote:
The Ordinances of Worship in a Particular Congregation
17. The ordinances in a single congregation are prayer, thanksgiving, and singing of Psalms, the word read (although there follow no immediate explication of what is read), the word expounded and applied, catechizing, the sacraments administered, collection made for the poor, dismissing the people with a blessing. In accordance with the simplicity and purity of worship provided for in the church's Basis of Union, the church's worship shall be without instrumental music, and only the Book of Psalms shall be used for singing in worship. The Authorized King James Version shall be the text used in the public reading of the word, and the Scottish Metrical Psalter the text for singing in worship.
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This is consistent, since our congregation is also Presbyterian Reformed. Please visit the Precentor in Charlotte blog for additional 1650 Scottish Psalter resources.
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We use the Trinity Hymnal, so we use both Psalms and hymns.
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We use the Book of Praise -- Anglo-Genevan Psalter, containing 150 Psalms set to the tunes used in Calvin's Geneva. It also includes 65 hymns. At the moment, we're also testing a collection of 28 hymns.
We use the Book of Praise because this is what our churches have agreed upon.
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We use the 1912 United Presbyterian Psalter. Many in the congregation would like to use the Book of Psalms for Singing as well since it is our denominational song book.
Some use the 1650 in family worship!
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We use the Book of Psalms for Singing...
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Back home, my church uses The Book of Psalms for Singing.
Currently, I lead our Traditional Protestant service in singing a Psalm from The Psalms of David in Metre. ( Kaalvenist's Xanga Site - 2/4/2008 3:21:27 PM)
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We use the the Book of Psalms for Singing and the 1912 United Presbyterian Psalter that is within the Trinity Hymnal. Some in our congregation use the the 1650 Scottish Metrical in family worship.
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We use the Trinity Hymnal, it has a Psalter in it, so whatever edition that is.
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HAHA! Dominee Kok, that's exactly the one I grew up with (and love, ESPECIALLY the ones that had "Ere Zij God" glued in the back cover).
Couldn't stand the grey ones ('87 version.)
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Originally Posted by kvanlaan HAHA! Dominee Kok, that's exactly the one I grew up with (and love, ESPECIALLY the ones that had "Ere Zij God" glued in the back cover).
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The FRC uses the Blue Psalter.
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Originally Posted by Kaalvenist | I thought you chose a very appropriate tune for that portion of Psalm 22.
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Red Trinity Psalter.
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Originally Posted by Kaalvenist | I thought you chose a very appropriate tune for that portion of Psalm 22. | Thanks Jay. "Scottish Metrical Psalms" CD 1 from the RPCI, Track 5, features that tune for verses 27-31. I'm not terribly original. | 
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For family worship we use The Book of Psalms for Singing.
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We use The Book of Psalms for Singing as published by the RPCNA. But I do not recommend it because so many of the tunes are difficult for people to "carry" (sing) in a congregation. I prefer the Trinity Psalter. It was edited by Terry Johnson, minister of Independent Presbyterian Church in Savannah, GA, and the tunes (melodies) are overall easy for a Congregation to sing.
I think it's very important, for those of us who strive to give our congregations an appreciation for the psalter, not to promote a bad outlook for it by forcing them to try to sing difficult tunes, which can in themselves prove to be a real distraction while they are genuinely seeking to worship God. It's my desire to see people grow in their love for using the psalter, and I think difficult melodies can present something of an obstacle to that.
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If we had to use the BPS, I would have to take a course to be able to continue to be a precentor.
We have a tradition, public Psalm sings only, of singing Psalm 98 to the tune Desert. Thankfully the congregation and guests know it well enough. I couldn't handle much more musical sophistication beyond that.
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We use the Trinity Psalter and often sing Psalms out of the Trinity Hymnal.
We've also used some of the Psalm arrangements done by Hugh Sung of Christ Covenant PCA in Hatboro. These have the advantage of being modern tunes, but ones which actually carry the weight of the words.
You can find them online at: Music
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Originally Posted by jaybird0827 If we had to use the BPS, I would have to take a course to be able to continue to be a precentor.
We have a tradition, public Psalm sings only, of singing Psalm 98 to the tune Desert. Thankfully the congregation and guests know it well enough. I couldn't handle much more musical sophistication beyond that. |  You would have to syllabilize that one out for me Jay. I had trouble with psalm 107 tune remember. This one makes that one look easy.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Ritchie | How is it? (also what is the difference between Staff and Sol-Fa?) | It is very good. Sol-Fa has the music written out, Staff has a line telling you how high the notes are, but not the music itself.
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Originally Posted by jaybird0827 If we had to use the BPS, I would have to take a course to be able to continue to be a precentor.
We have a tradition, public Psalm sings only, of singing Psalm 98 to the tune Desert. Thankfully the congregation and guests know it well enough. I couldn't handle much more musical sophistication beyond that. |  You would have to syllabilize that one out for me Jay. I had trouble with psalm 107 tune remember. This one makes that one look easy. | Hey, Traci, I'm with you. If it were up to me, we would be singing Psalm 98 to the tune Crediton at the Psalm sing as well as in a regular worship service.
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Originally Posted by jaybird0827 If we had to use the BPS, I would have to take a course to be able to continue to be a precentor.
We have a tradition, public Psalm sings only, of singing Psalm 98 to the tune Desert. Thankfully the congregation and guests know it well enough. I couldn't handle much more musical sophistication beyond that. | Desert has always been a favorite at every Reformed church of which I have been a member. We love it. However, it helps to have an oxygen tank on hand for recovery purposes afterward. | 
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Originally Posted by Contra_Mundum We use two songbooks, one in the AM, one in the PM. We have a congregation which is composed of people partly from Presbyterian, partly Reformed backgrounds. We use the Trinity Hymnal in the evening; and in the morning, the older version of the CRC Psalter-Hymnal (pre-revision, so yes, these are getting tattered and worn). | We use the Trinity Hymnal as well as the CRC Psalter Hymnal, but we intermix the two during worship and we have a third as well. During evening worship we sometimes use a chorus book.
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Originally Posted by DTK We use The Book of Psalms for Singing as published by the RPCNA. But I do not recommend it because so many of the tunes are difficult for people to "carry" (sing) in a congregation. I prefer the Trinity Psalter. It was edited by Terry Johnson, minister of Independent Presbyterian Church in Savannah, GA, and the tunes (melodies) are overall easy for a Congregation to sing.
I think it's very important, for those of us who strive to give our congregations an appreciation for the psalter, not to promote a bad outlook for it by forcing them to try to sing difficult tunes, which can in themselves prove to be a real distraction while they are genuinely seeking to worship God. It's my desire to see people grow in their love for using the psalter, and I think difficult melodies can present something of an obstacle to that.
DTK | Interesting. Thank you for that observation.
I have to say that I don't have a ton of experience with many of the Psalms yet as we're building up the repertoire of very small children and it's been a long time since I attended a congregation that uses the Psalter at all. I had a Pastor a number of years ago who was married to the daughter of an OPC minister who had grown up singing the Psalms with her family. They sang the Psalms with their children and I was "hooked" on the idea back then before we had children.
My four are all under five and it's my goal to add a new song every month or so because it takes a long time for them to commit verses to memory. We haven't found the tunes to be too difficult yet and I hope I don't encounter really complex tunes. I simply love, however, that my children are committing the Psalms to memory and the blessing to me has been enormous. My five year old boy has fears at night and I always remind him of what we sing in Psalm 3.
I do agree that our goal ought to be to get congregations to sing the Psalms together. Unfortunately, the goal for many Churches would be to sing any Psalms today because they are virtually absent from many congregations. Those that argue against Exclusive Psalmody would do well to argue for the inclusion of the Psalter along with the other songs they are arguing for.
I also agree with some keen observations made by Mike Horton and others on the White Horse Inn. Many of the praise choruses that quote the Psalms aren't really singing the Psalms as composed but simply take the concluding refrains from the end of the Psalms. They frequently only quote "...I will worship you..." but leave out all the wonderful works that God has done for His people. They also leave out many of the laments and other really deep and profound wrestling that occurs in the Psalms. It impoverishes us that we don't sing such songs to salve our souls or give expression to certain devotional thoughts that are most beautifully expressed in the Psalms.
A few weeks ago I was very blue one Sunday Evening after hearing that a family was leaving our Church due to all the turmoil ongoing. During family devotions we began to sing Psalm 3 and I just cried out to the Lord.
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Originally Posted by Contra_Mundum We use two songbooks, one in the AM, one in the PM. We have a congregation which is composed of people partly from Presbyterian, partly Reformed backgrounds. We use the Trinity Hymnal in the evening; and in the morning, the older version of the CRC Psalter-Hymnal (pre-revision, so yes, these are getting tattered and worn). | We use the Trinity Hymnal as well as the CRC Psalter Hymnal, but we intermix the two during worship and we have a third as well. During evening worship we sometimes use a chorus book. | If the CRC Psalter Hymnal is grey then we use these same two. I like the psalms in the Trinity Hymnal. I wish we had the Trinity Psalter as well.
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We use the Book of Psalms for Singing.
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Originally Posted by jawyman Quote:
Originally Posted by Contra_Mundum We use two songbooks, one in the AM, one in the PM. We have a congregation which is composed of people partly from Presbyterian, partly Reformed backgrounds. We use the Trinity Hymnal in the evening; and in the morning, the older version of the CRC Psalter-Hymnal (pre-revision, so yes, these are getting tattered and worn). | We use the Trinity Hymnal as well as the CRC Psalter Hymnal, but we intermix the two during worship and we have a third as well. During evening worship we sometimes use a chorus book. | If the CRC Psalter Hymnal is grey then we use these same two. I like the psalms in the Trinity Hymnal. I wish we had the Trinity Psalter as well. | Ours has a blue cloth cover. Like Bruce's church, our psalters are rather old. Little Farms was a CRC mission church, but we left the CRC due to doctrinal issues.
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Is CREC is what I remember in ours now that I think of it. Ours is grey and has psalms and hymns and the major creeds including the Apostle's, the Nicene, and the Athanasius creeds, the Canons of Dort, the Heidleberg, and I can't remember what else.
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That is the 1951 Psalter-Hymnal. That is common place for the URC.
It is a revision of a 1930s P-H that is the revision of the UP Psalter of 1912 that the FRC, HRC, PRC, First RP, PRTS, etc. use. It is THE Psalter choice for Grand Rapids Psalm singers. I do not know of ANY other West Michigan Psalm singing congregation that uses ANYTHING else!
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That is the 1951 Psalter-Hymnal. That is common place for the URC. | Yup, that's the one. The 1951 Psalter-Hymnal. I prefer the Psalter we use at PRTS.
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The TBS Psalms of David in Metre, which is the 1650 Scottish Psalter.
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Myself I like "Bible Songs".
I was first introduced to the idea of singing the psalms when I was a student in the (late) Dr Kyrkendals' class on the Psalms.
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