I have always held to the credo-baptism view but am open to paedo-baptism if it has strong Biblical evidence. Unfortunately I have never really had the time to look into the issue my self or talk with any one. If you are from either "side" could you please state any Scriptural evidence and support for your views?

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Joseph F Scibbe
Chaplain Assistant
Chapel of Wings Ft Rucker Al
Ephesians 1:4-7, 1 Thessalonians 2:8, Romans 12:1-2
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Norm
IA PCA

In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will. Ephesians 1:4-5

If you can work this series of messages into your schedule you will come away with a good understanding of the paedo postion even if you don't agree:
SermonAudio.com - Orthodox Presbyterian Church Franklin Sq

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James Farley
Husband of Melissa and father of Ann.
Members of Redeemer Church ARP, Blacksburg Va.
http://www.redeemerblacksburg.org/

Well I will listen to them as I get time. I am very limited in my internet access but excited to hear what you have to say.

I used to be on your side of the fence concerning baptism. You must ask yourself which position can be most supported with Scripture. The main teaching to support paedo baptism is it's connection with Old Testament circumcision, which was the sign of the covenant, and required of all males starting from eight days old (Genesis 17:11-12). The New Testament sign of the covenant is baptism (Colossians 2:11-12). Also, in the New Testament entire households were baptized (Acts 16:15, 33). Look up the word household in the Greek and you will discover that it would include small children.

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Rev. Andy Eppard
Associate Minister
First Cumberland Presbyterian Church
Springfield, MO

First be sure you understand the covenants well. As a baptist I didn't.

The church, believers are Israel.

not all of Israel is Israel is because some of spiritual Israel is Gentiles.

So all Israel shall be saved this is by the ingathering of all the elect of al nations.

Gentiles are graft into Israel. The Jews who were broken off branches can be graft back into Israel as well.

Israel is used more than one way in the NT. So is Jew, House of Israel, etc.
Israel was a type. There were physical temporal promises to the ethnic Jews and there were promises to the spiritual or elect Israel. Rom 9.
A Jew is not one who is one outwardly, but one who is one inwardly.
So the promises were not just to ethnic Jews but to those who are JEws by faith, elect. Heirs of Abraham from all nations. Heirs by faith not be ethnicity.


1 7:13-14 What on earth can this possibly mean unless there is a visible external covenant or holiness, being in Israel as an unconverted child was the same as being in the church as a child. We are all called the Children of God, People of God, My People etc. and yet not all are in the invisible covenant or C of Grace,

If there was a sign given to children of believers in the OT then what is the sign in the NT of being in the visible covenant.

There are lots of articles online and threads on this here that have all the facts one needs to see that if there had been a change such that the promise was no longer to believers and their seed, that the mothers would have had an outcry saying how can this be a better covenant if my children are not included any more.

Read the NT as if you were a Jew or a Gentile familiar with Judaism and it was teaching you.
What would you think?

Check out, as for me and my household we will serve the Lord.
Regardless of whether the others believe God works through heads of households. So when a head believes the whole family was circumcised in the OT and in the NT the whole family was baptized.

They receive the benefits of being in the visible covenant. What profit is their being a JEw??? Same as being a child in the covenant today. Check the passage to see what the benefits are.

There is no short proof text, but there is plenty of info thoughout the scriptures if you take the time to study all these things.

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DonP

Since you are seeking paedo answers, I am moving this to the paedo answers forum.

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Bill Brown
Elder
Reformed Baptist
Maryland

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