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Anybody know of a good book Summarizing Biblical Church Discipline?

In particular, what the appropriate steps are, when a trial is necessary, why a trial should be public, why a trial should always precede any kind of public censure, when an offense is public, and therefore not private ala Matthew 18.

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Adam, Mark Dever's site has very good articles on Church Discipline

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Jay Adams has a brief, but valuable little book entitled The Handbook of Church Discipline that might get you started.

If you can find a copy, James Durham's "A Treatise on Scandal", published by Naphtali Press but now out of print, lays out very skillfully the distinctions you mention concerning public and private matters.
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James Dickson Books has copies and Reformation Heritage Books may have it sometimes (I always tell them to order from James as he ahs the only like new copies left). Also check with Gospel Mission as they also know about James as a source and at one pointed indicated they would follow that up. I did make Concerning Scandal into a Kindle book but I wouldn't buy a Kindle just for that if you don't already have one.

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If you can find a copy, James Durham's "A Treatise on Scandal", published by Naphtali Press but now out of print, lays out very skillfully the distinctions you mention concerning public and private matters.
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As far as process historically you can see the old Scottish compendium of Pardovan's Collections which is on Google books. I have no idea why the link has it under Minutes of the Westminster Assembly; but it gets there.
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Thank you gentlemen!! These are GREAT resoucres!

Any other suggestions?

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Adam,

I have not read it yet, but the book Exposition of the Book of Church Order by F.P. Ramsay is cited frequently in SJC decisions. Since the PCA's BCO is in large part a revision of 19th century BCOs, it is relevant.

I found it on archive.org:

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Adam,

I have not read it yet, but the book Exposition of the Book of Church Order by F.P. Ramsay is cited frequently in SJC decisions. Since the PCA's BCO is in large part a revision of 19th century BCOs, it is relevant.

I found it on archive.org:

Internet Archive: Free Download: An exposition of the form of government and the rules of discipline of the Presbyterian Church in the United States
Thank you so much Fred! I will definitely utilize this resouce.

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I'm reading through "Handbook of Church Discipline" by Jay Adams. Some provocative thinking there and would like to interact with some of the thoughts in there and on the topic generally.

Mr. Adams has 5 steps, and some ideas about church "hopping" and what "excommunication" means that are worth discussing.
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The Adams book is excellent, so add my recommendation there.

There is also another very short treatise on discipline, but I cannot think of the author or title (it's currently at the church and I'm at home). I'm pretty sure it is put out by Banner of Truth and has a picture of a shepherd and sheep on the cover. Discipline is in the title (I think). Does anybody recall the work of which I'm speaking?
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The Adams book is excellent, so add my recommendation there.

There is also another very short treatise on discipline, but I cannot think of the author or title (it's currently at the church and I'm at home). I'm pretty sure it is put out by Banner of Truth and has a picture of a shepherd and sheep on the cover. Discipline is in the title (I think). Does anybody recall the work of which I'm speaking?
Yup, I've got that too. It's Daniel Wray's "Biblical Church Discipline". I think it's out of print though - but Amazon seems to have some copies. His "The Importance of the Local Church" is also a very nice little booklet.
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Exposition of the Book of Church Order by F.P. Ramsay is cited frequently in SJC decisions. Since the PCA's BCO is in large part a revision of 19th century BCOs, it is relevant.[/url]

The relevant section from Ramsay's Exposition is plugged into each page of the BCO Project here

For instance, see his comments (scoll down the page a bit) on the nature and ends of discipline, here.

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The Adams book is excellent, so add my recommendation there.

There is also another very short treatise on discipline, but I cannot think of the author or title (it's currently at the church and I'm at home). I'm pretty sure it is put out by Banner of Truth and has a picture of a shepherd and sheep on the cover. Discipline is in the title (I think). Does anybody recall the work of which I'm speaking?
Yup, I've got that too. It's Daniel Wray's "Biblical Church Discipline". I think it's out of print though - but Amazon seems to have some copies. His "The Importance of the Local Church" is also a very nice little booklet.
Yes, that's it! Thanks, Todd!
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Adam, as is evidenced by the responses to your OP, I'm convinced that someone, somewhere, knows of a good book summarizing biblical church discipline.
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Exposition of the Book of Church Order by F.P. Ramsay is cited frequently in SJC decisions. Since the PCA's BCO is in large part a revision of 19th century BCOs, it is relevant.[/url]

The relevant section from Ramsay's Exposition is plugged into each page of the BCO Project here

For instance, see his comments (scoll down the page a bit) on the nature and ends of discipline, here.

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Are you still looking for help with this project?
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Yup, I've got that too. It's Daniel Wray's "Biblical Church Discipline". I think it's out of print though - but Amazon seems to have some copies. His "The Importance of the Local Church" is also a very nice little booklet.
Just want to add my two cents here endorsing Daniel Wray's pamphlet.

It is one of the best brief summaries of biblical church discipline that I have ever seen, printed in a small pamphlet format that can be given to basically any biblically knowledgeable fundamentalist who is used to "tracts." It will explain from the Bible the need for church discipline and the steps that must be followed to do the discipline.

Obviously it isn't an exhaustive document, but it is helpful to give to Bible-believing people in this modern age of no church discipline whatsoever who sincerely believe in biblical inerrancy but often do not understand the most basic principles of what church membership means.
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The Durham is on google books.

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