<![CDATA[The PuritanBoard - Revelation & Eschatology]]> http://www.puritanboard.com/ Even so, come, Lord Jesus! (Rev. 22:20)]]> en Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:45:09 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.puritanboard.com/images/retro/misc/rss.jpg <![CDATA[The PuritanBoard - Revelation & Eschatology]]> http://www.puritanboard.com/ One World Government http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/one-world-government-55691/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:32:19 GMT Maybe someone here can help me out...I hear my Dispensational friends talking about the coming of a one world government, Does Covenant Theology discuss this topic or address it? :detective: Maybe someone here can help me out...I hear my Dispensational friends talking about the coming of a one world government, Does Covenant Theology discuss this topic or address it?
:detective: ]]> brianlve http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/one-world-government-55691/ a dose of craziness for the day http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/dose-craziness-day-55438/ Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:48:25 GMT
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in case you are bored, here is part two.


I asked a minister once, "what are they crazies going to do on Jan. 1, 2013 when God doesn't come back?" He responded, "oh don't worry about it. They are already working on a new theory that puts the rapture farther out."

Well I guess he was right. ]]> Chaplainintraining http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/dose-craziness-day-55438/ Still a dispensationalist? http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/still-dispensationalist-55422/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:44:52 GMT I am still a dispensationalist (really progressive), but am interested in learning more about Covenant Eschatology. I have tried the “why the dispensationalist view is wrong resources”, but am having a hard time with them because they seem to focus... I am still a dispensationalist (really progressive), but am interested in learning more about Covenant Eschatology. I have tried the “why the dispensationalist view is wrong resources”, but am having a hard time with them because they seem to focus on hyper-dispensationalists or just plain wacky views that I do not hold. Honestly I see those as straw man arguments.

My question is what is the best commentary I can buy that gives a solid understanding of the reformed view of eschatology? ]]> Sgt Grit http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/still-dispensationalist-55422/ Reformed Eschatology Conference http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/reformed-eschatology-conference-55409/ Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:40:21 GMT I am pondering the possibility and potential benefits of trying to organize/sponsor a Reformed Eschatology Conference/Summit. There is such interest today in the subject, and so few that understand that “The Left Behind Series” is not the definitive... I am pondering the possibility and potential benefits of trying to organize/sponsor a Reformed Eschatology Conference/Summit. There is such interest today in the subject, and so few that understand that “The Left Behind Series” is not the definitive answer to End Times questions, that it seems that this could benefit the Christians in our area greatly.

I suspect that such an endeavor would not be a “first.” Does anyone have information related to such events that have already happened elsewhere? I would be interested in anything related to the subject : venues, formats, speakers, subjects presented, anecdotal evidence of successes/failures – anything that might be helpful. ]]> msortwell http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/reformed-eschatology-conference-55409/ Teachings on Post-millennialism http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/teachings-post-millennialism-55332/ Thu, 12 Nov 2009 00:12:40 GMT To all of you out there who hold to a Post-millennial view, what Pastor/Scholar does the finest job representing that view, in your opinion? Could you please give me some ideas and, hopefully, links to some downloadable audio from who you recommend? To all of you out there who hold to a Post-millennial view, what Pastor/Scholar does the finest job representing that view, in your opinion? Could you please give me some ideas and, hopefully, links to some downloadable audio from who you recommend? ]]> KSon http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/teachings-post-millennialism-55332/ The rapture: unbiblical, illogical and... blasphemous? doctrine http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/rapture-unbiblical-illogical-blasphemous-doctrine-54848/ Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:13:10 GMT After debating about the rapture in another forum I realized how illogical this doctrine is; but is it just an error of interpretation, a different point of view or a blasphemous doctrine that should be strongly rejected and confronted? help me... After debating about the rapture in another forum I realized how illogical this doctrine is; but is it just an error of interpretation, a different point of view or a blasphemous doctrine that should be strongly rejected and confronted? help me decide

It is unbiblical

The very first problem with the doctrine of the Rapture is that it is completely unbiblical. Nowhere in the Scriptures are we told that there’s going to be a rapture that must be distinguished from the Second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ on the Last day. The idea that there’s going to be a “Rapture Event” that is different and separate from the coming of the Lord is not established anywhere in The Bible. However, proponents of this doctrine, as they go through the different passages that deal with Christ’s return, say: “this passage is about the rapture, and this one is about the second coming”, and so on, assuming that there is a difference but we are never told where in the Scripture this is established as a doctrinal point. In other words, to believe in the rapture and to be able to “see” it in the Bible, one must assume first that there is such a rapture and then, we’ll be able to divide the passages in Rapture Passages and Second Coming Passages.

It is illogical

Not only the doctrine of the rapture is completely unbiblical, it also defies all human logic and natural use of language.

-The rapture is the coming of Christ but is not the coming of Christ.

In 1 Thes 4:15, the “rapture” passage, we are told: “…we who are alive, who are left until THE COMING OF THE LORD”. The Apostle Paul is clearly saying here that he is talking about “the coming of the Lord”, but the dispensationalist insist that this is not the visible coming of the Lord described in Matthew 24 and Revelation 1. It is called the coming of the Lord, but is not His coming.

-The rapture is the SECOND coming of Christ, but it’s not the SECOND coming of Christ

If the rapture is the coming of the Lord, then it follows that it must be His SECOND coming, because He came already once, so if He is coming again to rapture His people, it must be His SECOND coming. But it’s not, they say, His second coming is when He comes back to stay, even though it happens in THIRD place, it’s still His SECOND coming, and the rapture, even though it happens in Second place, is not His second coming. Can somebody make any sense of this? But, wait! It gets better.

-The rapture is the Last Day but it’s not the Last Day.

In John 6 we are told four times that the resurrection will be ON THE LAST DAY, the rapture is the resurrection, so it must follow that the rapture happens on the Last Day; but, if it happens seven or three and a half years before the last day how is it the last day? Is it the last day or not?

-The rapture is the last trumpet but is not the last trumpet

In 1 Corinthians 15:52 that the resurrection will happen “at the last trumpet”, but if seven more trumpets are sounded after that, how is it the “last trumpet”? Are there two last trumpets? One that is last but it doesn’t happen last and then a last one that is actually the last one because it happens last? Does this make any sense?

-The rapture is the end of the world but is not the end of the world

In Matthew 28:20 the Lord Jesus said: “and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world”. By this, obviously He meant that He would be with us in the presence of the Holy Spirit until the end of this age, because after the rapture, we will continue to be with Him but in a different manner; that’s His promise uttered by Paul’s lips when he said: “and so we will always be with the Lord” (1 Thes 4:17). We deduct from this that, if this special and continual presence in the ministry and internal dwelling of the Holy Spirit will continue with us until the end of the world and this will change at the rapture when will enter into a different kind of presence, then the rapture must be “the end of the world”. But no! the world (this age) continues for seven years after that, and then it ends. So the rapture is the end of the world because Christ said that’s it when it would be, but is not the end of the world because the world doesn’t end until seven years later.

Is the rapture a blasphemous doctrine?

If there is really a rapture in a dispensational sense, what happens when, after the rapture, somebody reads a verse like this one?

Joh 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

This promise of the Lord won’t be a true promise for somebody reading it after the rapture, because the last day and the end of the world would be a thing of the past. How can I look to the Son and believe in Him and be raised on the last day, if the last day already passed? And if Jesus said: “the heavens and the earth shall pass, but my words shall not pass” will He be found a liar, because His word passed BEFORE the heavens and the Earth passed, and some of His promises are no longer true for a poor soul seeking salvation in post-rapture times? Will His promised presence “until the end of the world” be gone and He won’t be with believers anymore? Will these “tribulation believers” need a new revelation from God, a “Newer Testament” so to speak with new promises different than the previous ones?

Does this doctrine make Jesus a liar? I’ll let you decide. ]]> Manuel http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/rapture-unbiblical-illogical-blasphemous-doctrine-54848/ Free Amill MP3 CD http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/free-amill-mp3-cd-54787/ Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:23:03 GMT Don't know if anyone is interested but you can get a free copy of:

Amillennialism 101 & Sermons on Revelation (mp3 CD) by Kim Riddlebarger

http://www.monergismbooks.com/produc...0&cat=0&page=1 ]]> John Lanier http://www.puritanboard.com/f46/free-amill-mp3-cd-54787/