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Old 03-03-2005, 12:41 AM
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Hi Tim,

I'm really confused about what you're saying, obviously. :-)

I don't believe there is anything in the passage in Is. that speaks of worship is there? I know what a virgin is and I think I'm agreeing with you.

Maybe a more logical approach

1. Is. predicted a virgin would give birth to a son.
2. When he came together with his wife she was a virgin the moment before
3. She had a son

Matt. applies this passage to Jesus
1. Mary was a virgin up to and after the moment she became pregnant because she wasn't made pregant by a man but my God
2. Therefore she remained a virgin.

Do you disagree with what I've written above?

I'll ask the question again. If Is. prophecy is in *any* way fulfilled in Is. 8 then the Holy Spirit is a liar?

Better be sure, because it is fulfilled at least as a type.

I have to be honest and say that I've struggled over this issue and I'm not sure that your condescending tone really helps the conversation. I'm truly trying to better understand the hermenutic of the NT writters.

I am a father of 3 and am aware of what a virgin is If you want to interact on the text that would be grand.

God bless

Justin
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