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Old 09-15-2008, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by satz View Post
Regarding the disciples picking corn, I do not think I implied that the Pharisees were suggesting that eating was a violation of the Sabbath. From my understanding, it was the act of picking the grains that they objected to. Again, remember that God had a man stoned for picking up sticks on the Sabbath, yet here Jesus allowed his disciples to pick corn to eat simply because they were hungry.

Is the bible position such that it is ok to ‘work’ to avoid a few hours of hunger, but it is not ok to work to preserve one’s source of livelihood?
Satz,

The notion that Jesus contradicts Moses on the sabbath would require some explanation, since Jesus repeatedly denied such a conclusion, and the Pharisees unsuccessfully accused Him of it. If you are saying that Jesus contradicts Moses on this point, you are in the wrong crowd.

That said, is there a difference between gathering food and gathering wood? The answer is too simple to require refutation. Could the wood be gathered the day before? Could the food? I think the wood could have, but was not. The food seems not to have been available for gathering the day before. The gospels tell us of Jesus on the move, and the disciples with Him. He had no permanent dwelling, unlike the birds who have nests, etc.

The question about working when required by a boss appears to be a false dilemma. If God is the source of our daily bread, do we need to worry? Isn't the whole point of the sabbath that God provides for all of our needs, and therefore, we are to rest from our worries and toils, and rest on His holy day? Would not our livelihood be one of those worries? The sabbath was made to bless us so that we wouldn't have to think of these things, and you seem to suggest that we should be so worried that we do not rest. This makes no sense. Is not God able to provide for us if we refuse to submit to an ungodly demand that we work on a day of rest? He is more than able, and if we do not trust Him to do so, we have missed the heart of the sabbath.

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