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Originally Posted by joshua  Well, I suppose what I'm getting at is this: I detest how "democracy" has pervaded the church. However, I -at least at this point in time- would champion personal liberty in the political sense (i.e. not putting up with tyranny, so long as its guided by another civil magistrate). I would identify (politically speaking, not ecclesiastically) with Jeffersonian ideals and principles for the most part; however, I don't see where it must spill into our ecclesiology. Note: I see how it has, but I don't see that it must. Anyway, at this point I'm rambling. | You don't mean to suggest that there could be TWO kingdoms, do you? 
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Philip A - Member, High Desert United Reformed Church, Apple Valley, CA.
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