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Originally Posted by PuritanCovenanter One more thing. I have a good book by J. H. Thornwell I believe where he refutes RC Baptism as invalid. Thus he would say that rebaptism is essential also. Is he a heretic? Some presby's on this board agree with him. Some believe that RCC baptism is legit. | I agree with Thornwell. I recall a debate a while back in which someone tried to argue that baptism by a priest was valid, but baptism by a midwife was not. This is ridiculous, as they both work for a synagogue of Satan. The RCC is not part of the visible church, its baptism is no more valid than that of a man standing on a street corner throwing water over people in the name of the Trinity.
A converted RC who is baptized in a Protestant church is not being rebaptized, but baptized, as they have not received the sacrament in the first place. |
Were Calvin and Luther and reformers rebaptized? Wait, we went through this in recent past.
Ill just say thank goodness my salvation is not dependant upon sacraments. I will caution you again though Daniel. This vien of thought is very close to the Donatist heresy. Tred lightly here on this subject. SOme here have said it is not. But it certainly is a mirrored image of it. Administering and receiving the sacraments do not belong to individuals, but come from God to the church. The hand that dip or plunge, the person who gets wet provide absolutely no efficacy whatsoever |
Calvin and Luther belonged to a scandalously corrupt church, but Rome was still a true visible church until Trent. Therefore, they did not need to be re-baptized. Yes, our salvation is not dependent upon the sacraments, but that is not the question being discussed here.
I will ask you this question: Is baptism valid if a man stands in the street and throws water over people in the name of the Trinity? If not, why not?