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Old 05-18-2008, 08:21 AM
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Dear AV,

Thanks for your reply.

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Originally Posted by AV1611 View Post
Marty, the question is not quite as simple as you make out. The point is that instruments were tied to typical worship,
Yes, that is the an assumption, but I can't find it proved from the OT. Where does it explicitly say that the use of instruments is tied to the cultus. There may be examples of it, but that doesn't prove they were always tied to the cultus.

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We do not need to find an explicit antitype of instruments as Christ was the fulfilment of the whole temple cultus.
Ok, so why do you meet in a buliding? The building that the OT Jews met in was tied to the cultus. Hence, we shouldn't meet in one now because it's not explicitly commanded. That's the logic.

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However I would suggest (tentatively) that as incense symbolised the prayer of the saints so the instruments sumbolised the praise of the saints.
You need to prove that from Scripture, and I think you're not going to find explicit support there whatsoever.


Moreover the other problem you have (which I keep mentioning but never gets addressed) is that the the OT temple gathering is now in heaven around Christ (Heb. 12:22-24), in which we participate with all our life (Rom. 12:1). Our entire lives are "worship". The purpose now for gathering is explicitly mentioned as "edification" (1 Cor. 14:26; Heb. 10:24-25).

One last problem, where does the Bible say that there will be a set number of elements in the church gathering? Moreover, where does Scripture itself draw the distinction between "elements" and "circumstances". These are ideas (as far as I can see) that are brought to Scripture, not read out of Scripture.

God bless you.
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