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Originally Posted by Poimen Baptism is an objective sign of proclamation; an open declaration of God's promised signed, sealed and delivered. For baptism assures us that we belong to God's people to whom, corporately, the promises are declared. | I would like a citation from Scripture that signifies that we belong to God's people because we are baptised. Just asking..... |
Here's a prooftext from the original WCF: 1Co 12:13 For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--Jews or Greeks, slaves or free--and all were made to drink of one Spirit.
But Poimen wrote that baptism was a "sign" for "assurance
that we belong," that is, it needs faith to be effective.
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Originally Posted by Poimen However there are also curses for those who reject those promises. So truly not every baptized individual experiences what baptism signifies. For the promise must be received by faith. | That is true whether one is baptised or not. Reject Christ and you are cursed already. |
So, is there any difference between the person who is beaten with many stripes, and one beaten with few?
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Originally Posted by PuritanCovenanter I never placed my faith in baptism after I developed a living faith in Christ. I did identify myself as one who believed I was in union with Christ by my Baptism though. |
No one should place faith in a bare sign, or a churchly act. He should place faith in the God who promises using the sign. What do you believe the rainbow means? Do you "believe" in the rainbow, or in the God who attached a promise to it? Poimen doesn't seem to be saying anything different.
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Originally Posted by Poimen Heidelberg Catechism, Q&A 66 Quote:
Q66: What are the sacraments?
A66: The sacraments are visible, holy signs and seals appointed by God for this end, that by their use He may the more fully declare and seal to us the promise of the Gospel, namely, that of free grace He grants us the forgiveness of sins and everlasting life for the sake of the one sacrifice of Christ accomplished on the cross.
| | So does baptism seal us in Christ? Where does the scripture say that baptism seals us in the promise of the Gospel? |
Yes.
Col. 2:11-12.
Rom 6:5.
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