Are we talking Presbyterian in the sense we have today from elders all the way up to GA, or are we talking presbyterian just in the sense of elder run local church government. I have heard even the independents of the same period were elder run and were a lot like Presbyterian churches nowadays but nothing like the Independent churches of nowadays.

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Erick Bohndorf, Covenant Baptist Church, KS
http://qayaqtraveler.blogspot.com/
The question for us today is, will we be like the majority of Israel and continue to look in fear at the giants in the land and urge our fellow Christians to be "realistic," or will we be like Joshua and Caleb and faithfully follow our king, trusting to fulfill every one of his promises completely?