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Originally Posted by joshua I will say, as I have said in the past, it should be no insult to Baptists to not call themselves Reformed, and instead call themselves the same as the historical Baptists did: Particular Baptists. I honestly don't see why so many Baptists find it insulting that they don't get to share (in in an unqualified sense) the moniker Reformed. If I were a 100% convinced Baptist, I'd be much more energetic in calling myself Particular than Reformed. | Part of the problem you are not acknowledging here Josh is that the lineage of inheretance on the Particular Baptist side is from the Reformers and not from the the Anabaptists. I think some of the Reformed Baptist just want to emphasize that their heritage is Reformational and having their roots in the Reformation and its Reformers instead of in the Radical Reformation of the Anabaptists which is much more various and out of bounds theologically. It truly is one of identity.
Particular only indicates that they held to a view of Particular Redemption. Everyone Calvinistic in soteriology holds to that. Even NCT guys do but they are not Covenantal nor are they confessional. So a distinction should be made above Particular in my estimation. | I don't have to acknowledge Baptists as Reformed, because they didn't even call themselves Reformed.
The point that I'm making is that I don't understand why a Baptist should want to call themselves Reformed, if that's not what they wanted back in the day. Confessional ought to suffice, and ought to be a source of pride (not sinful) for the Baptist who remains true to his historic roots. |
No one is saying you have to acknowledge anything Josh. Why are you so adamant about this? One more thing... I am not so sure the Particular Baptists wouldn't consider themsleves to be Reformed. The distinction of Particular was meant mainly to emphasis that they as Baptist held to reformational soteriology as opposed to the anabaptist. That was the struggle. They were accused of being anabaptists of the
radical reformation. The anabaptists were considered
radical reformers.
So reformed was not the problem here when they made distinctive terms to define themselves by.
As I noted before the terms people are adhering to are to line themselves with their roots as opposed antithetically to something else. I don't why you are having problems with this Josh. I guess I am proud that my heritage is from the reformation instead of the radical reformation.
I guess I am a Reformed Baptist by today's standards.