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Originally Posted by Davidius  Okay, but I still don't understand the assertion. That the Atheist does not believe in the Christian concept of an ultimately rational mind does not imply that "the ultimate mind in the universe is the finite human mind." Aristotle believed in a transcendent mind. |
What is a "transcendent" mind if it is not God? If there is a transcendent mind, and it isn't God, and it isn't ultimate, then what is ultimate? Clearly, it would be something non-rational.
Also, atheists do not believe in a transcendent mind...not the new atheists, and not the avg Joe Atheist.
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Originally Posted by Davidius I see what you're saying, although I don't see how you can prove that it's irrational that something can come from nothing. It sounds to me like it could be an indemonstrable axiom. That we've never seen something come from nothing doesn't logically imply its impossibility. |
If something coming from nothing can simply be axiomatic, then I can say anything I wanted to, and simply say it undemonstrably axiomatic...it's a baseless assertion. Something coming from nothing violates the Uniformity of Nature that we rely on for induction...so it does logically follow that nothing comes from nothing...if it is not necessarily so, then you cannot trust induction (which is a major problem for atheists).