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Old 04-17-2008, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Timothy William View Post
I confess, I listened to the first half hour of the first debate and turned off. I had listened to Rich's later call to the show first, so I wasn't expecting a great deal from Steve Gregg, but still he managed to be disappointing. The general thrust of his opening comments was "on the surface the Bible seems to teach Arminianism, Calvinists claim that if you look deeper it actually teaches Calvinism, but we shouldn't do that because, well, because we shouldn't." Which is wrong on both counts - the Bible does teach the doctrines of grace all through, there is no prima facie case for Arminianism, and also we should delve deeply into the truths of Scripture. I heard Dr White's first reply then switched off.
Honestly, Gregg's argument that Arminianism is likely correct because most people read their own ability to be righteous apart from Grace is, in my mind, an argument against Arminianism.

Why, precisely, would Christ say that men would hate us because of Him? If the Scripture's message makes sense to the world then why does the world consider it foolishness? Why is it a stumbling block if it is so obvious to all?

Indeed, Arminianism is false precisely because fallen men, Truth suppressors, read that very doctrine into the Scriptures. The fact that men who claim to be born again read the doctrine into the Scriptures is inexcusable.
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