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Originally Posted by KMK  I was getting no help when I posted this on a different thread so I thought I would start a new one.
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Rom 11:8-10 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day. And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
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Is it possible that blessings given to a nation could become a snare to that nation?
IOW, if a nation makes vows to God (as our American forefathers did) and is blessed by God but later begins to trust in those blessings rather than the blessor (as Israel did) could God blind them on a national level? (except for a faithful remnant, of course)
Is the national blindness of Israel a fulfilment of specific prophecy or is it a 'general principle'? |
Kmk,
This is an interesting question. I think it is not easy to give a simple answer as the first few posts already raise several other issues.
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Is the national blindness of Israel a fulfilment of specific prophecy or is it a 'general principle'?
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. The verse quoted in Romans 11:9-10 is unquestionably a specific prophecy concerning 1st century National Israel, not just because He quotes from the messianic psalm 69.
The whole context of Romans 9-15 answers the question of national Israel and the promise of God.
In Chapter 10:18-21 the quotes of Psalm 19, Deut 32:21, ISA 65:1 clearly demonstrate that Physical Israel itself, has now become a final -type if you will. The one-new man of Ephesians 2, Jew/Gentile are now the holy nation ,The Israel of God. Because this is now true, I do not believe that God no longer recognizes the nations and Kings of the earth.
The Judgement to come speaks of nations, and the individualsMt 25:32.
1Tim 2:2 tells us that we are to pray for national leaders, that we may live in godliness and peace.
In the OT. physical Israel did have a unique relationship as a nation.Deut 7;6 and Amos 3;2.
They lost that special relationship Isa.5/Mt 21:43.
God is now dealing with The True Israel now.-Jesus The Lord- and those who comprise his body.
God still opens eyes and ears, or closes them as all nations are under His rule Psalm 67.
The post millenial writers are correct about the events of 70 ad. The good amill writers also agree. I am just not certain of how much of the spiritual impacts the physical reign of the King here and now.
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Is it possible that blessings given to a nation could become a snare to that nation?
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Blessings and gifts given to any nation and mis-used,Like Samson's gifts and strengths can also be removed based on how they treat the individual assemblies and the christians in them.
Without any "direct word of knowledge"[ I am not Pat Robertson.] I am personally sure that the tsunamis in the indian ocean was a direct result of muslim persecution of the Christians there.World magazine had put a map containing Muslim countries that persecute christians,and that area of the world was a hot bed of persecution for christian churches and pastors.
One month before the tsunamis,there was an article where it ended with the christians praying for God to intervene on their behalf- you can look this article up on world magazine archives. It mentioned Colombo, Shri Lanka, and all of those coastal towns where they were burning churches.
The map of the persecution was the exact map where the tsunamis hit.
